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06 March 2009, 12:41 PM
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Air rifle question
I'm thinking of upgrading from my ageing Webley Vulcan to an Air Arms gun. I got offered on locally at £425, ten shots, bolt action, but not sure what model it is.
I THINK it was an S410, complete with scope, for that money, does that seem good?
It would be used mainly for pest control, with some target shooting.
I've been advised to get a .177, although my present gun is a .22.........surely a .22 has a greater knockdown capability?
Also, does anyone know if a home compressor can be used to fill guns like these, or do they NEED to be filled from a cylinder?
Any advice, suggestions etc gratefully received.
I THINK it was an S410, complete with scope, for that money, does that seem good?
It would be used mainly for pest control, with some target shooting.
I've been advised to get a .177, although my present gun is a .22.........surely a .22 has a greater knockdown capability?
Also, does anyone know if a home compressor can be used to fill guns like these, or do they NEED to be filled from a cylinder?
Any advice, suggestions etc gratefully received.
06 March 2009, 12:46 PM
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Can't help you on the price, but the S410 is a good gun, I shot one recently at my local airgun club. .177 is more acurate, the .22 will dip like mad so more difficult to actually get your target.
Go for .177! I know because I went for a .22 and now wish I didn't
Go for .177! I know because I went for a .22 and now wish I didn't
06 March 2009, 12:53 PM
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hi i have a s410 and it is a awsome gun!is that price just to buy it or is it a trade in on your other gun?
mine is a 22 aswell and a mate has the 177,only differance is the 177 seems to travel faster and doesnt drop as quick as the 22 pellet,due to the weight differance i suppose!yes my 22 seems to hit harder but end of the day the gun is as good as the person shooting it!
as for pumping it up you need either a proper pump or a diving bottle!the pumps are around £100 but once you have it the air is free,as with the bottle you have to pay to get it filed up and they are more expensive to buy in the 1st place!oyu have to pump them up to 190 BAR,so no way will a compressor do it,also the air has to be clean and dry!
hope this helps a bit
mine is a 22 aswell and a mate has the 177,only differance is the 177 seems to travel faster and doesnt drop as quick as the 22 pellet,due to the weight differance i suppose!yes my 22 seems to hit harder but end of the day the gun is as good as the person shooting it!
as for pumping it up you need either a proper pump or a diving bottle!the pumps are around £100 but once you have it the air is free,as with the bottle you have to pay to get it filed up and they are more expensive to buy in the 1st place!oyu have to pump them up to 190 BAR,so no way will a compressor do it,also the air has to be clean and dry!
hope this helps a bit
06 March 2009, 01:08 PM
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AIUI .22 is worse for pest control because
a) pellet is going slower when itreaches the target,
b) pellet drops quicker so sights need more adjustment for dofferent ranges,
c) pellet larger so more likely to bounce off rather than penetrate.
.177 pointed pellets can go straight through without apparently causing any damage, go for hollowpoint for pest control.
a) pellet is going slower when itreaches the target,
b) pellet drops quicker so sights need more adjustment for dofferent ranges,
c) pellet larger so more likely to bounce off rather than penetrate.
.177 pointed pellets can go straight through without apparently causing any damage, go for hollowpoint for pest control.
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That price was for cash, trade in on my old gun was only going to be £50 or so, inc. scope, so I may as well hang onto it, maybe have it's spring and seals renewed and take it to the house in France. I wonder if I can kill moles with it
When you say a pellet will "dip" mamoon, I assume you mean it's weight will cuase it to have a less flat trajectory?
If not that, what does it mean?
Also, are the walnut thumbhole stocks worth having, or just a fad?
When you say a pellet will "dip" mamoon, I assume you mean it's weight will cuase it to have a less flat trajectory?
If not that, what does it mean?
Also, are the walnut thumbhole stocks worth having, or just a fad?
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AIUI .22 is worse for pest control because
a) pellet is going slower when itreaches the target,
b) pellet drops quicker so sights need more adjustment for dofferent ranges,
c) pellet larger so more likely to bounce off rather than penetrate.
.177 pointed pellets can go straight through without apparently causing any damage, go for hollowpoint for pest control.
a) pellet is going slower when itreaches the target,
b) pellet drops quicker so sights need more adjustment for dofferent ranges,
c) pellet larger so more likely to bounce off rather than penetrate.
.177 pointed pellets can go straight through without apparently causing any damage, go for hollowpoint for pest control.
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Moles aren't legal quarry and if your caught say hello to prison.
On to the rifle.
S410 are nice rifles, I've shot a fair few in my time nad if I was going to replace my Daystate harrier, a rifle I would consider.
Either calibre will take vermin species (all you can shoot with an air rifle), but there are trade offs between the 2.
177 has a flatter trajectory than 22 (less hold over / under at different distances)
177 is faster by 200 fps than 22
177 is more effected by wind than 22 due to pellet weight
177 has less penetration power than 22 again due to weight
177 is easily deflected by a grass stem where a 22 will usualy punch its way through.
ON filling, go for a cylinder, its a safter option. Remember your buggering round with 3000 psi here.
On to the rifle.
S410 are nice rifles, I've shot a fair few in my time nad if I was going to replace my Daystate harrier, a rifle I would consider.
Either calibre will take vermin species (all you can shoot with an air rifle), but there are trade offs between the 2.
177 has a flatter trajectory than 22 (less hold over / under at different distances)
177 is faster by 200 fps than 22
177 is more effected by wind than 22 due to pellet weight
177 has less penetration power than 22 again due to weight
177 is easily deflected by a grass stem where a 22 will usualy punch its way through.
ON filling, go for a cylinder, its a safter option. Remember your buggering round with 3000 psi here.
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That price was for cash, trade in on my old gun was only going to be £50 or so, inc. scope, so I may as well hang onto it, maybe have it's spring and seals renewed and take it to the house in France. I wonder if I can kill moles with it
When you say a pellet will "dip" mamoon, I assume you mean it's weight will cuase it to have a less flat trajectory?
If not that, what does it mean?
Also, are the walnut thumbhole stocks worth having, or just a fad?
When you say a pellet will "dip" mamoon, I assume you mean it's weight will cuase it to have a less flat trajectory?
If not that, what does it mean?
Also, are the walnut thumbhole stocks worth having, or just a fad?
06 March 2009, 02:19 PM
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The DEFRA guidance only applies to birds via the general License. Moles are fine to shoot.
p.s the Air arms is ok at that price and I'd go .177 as well, simply because it shoots flatter and gets better penetration so to speak!
p.s the Air arms is ok at that price and I'd go .177 as well, simply because it shoots flatter and gets better penetration so to speak!
06 March 2009, 02:24 PM
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France is quite lax compared to the UK, I can easily legally obtain, and use a .22 rifle over there, and with a bit of persuasion of the local farmer, and the local Mairie, buy and legally use shotguns, and larger rifles.
I don't even need to gun cabinet in the house, just to show the gendarmes that the guns are left unloaded, separate from the ammo and locked in a cupboard etc is enough.
Haven't done so, as I REALLY don't like killing things, although I WILL draw the line at magpies, which I hate, and the b*stard mole that's ruining the garden over there.
I've got one of these, but the mole wasn't around last time I was there:
Piège à taupes et anti taupe - Détaupeur - Chasse, destruction taupes et rat taupier
Wasn't cheap, but guaranteed to work.............
Not sure how humane it is, though..................
I don't even need to gun cabinet in the house, just to show the gendarmes that the guns are left unloaded, separate from the ammo and locked in a cupboard etc is enough.
Haven't done so, as I REALLY don't like killing things, although I WILL draw the line at magpies, which I hate, and the b*stard mole that's ruining the garden over there.
I've got one of these, but the mole wasn't around last time I was there:
Piège à taupes et anti taupe - Détaupeur - Chasse, destruction taupes et rat taupier
Wasn't cheap, but guaranteed to work.............
Not sure how humane it is, though..................
06 March 2009, 02:50 PM
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No mentioning of shooting on Defra's site
Originally Posted by defra
Although often not seen, the results of a mole’s tunnelling can cause a lot of damage in gardens, amenity areas and in agriculture.
For farmers, contamination of grass by soil from molehills can affect the quality of silage being produced, and there is a risk of damaging grass-cutting machinery. Mole runs may also disturb roots and adversely affect plant growth.
Natural England produces a general guidance leaflet for controlling moles. Where control measures can be justified, it is best carried out between October and April. There are two main methods:
poisoning with aluminium phosphide
trapping
For farmers, contamination of grass by soil from molehills can affect the quality of silage being produced, and there is a risk of damaging grass-cutting machinery. Mole runs may also disturb roots and adversely affect plant growth.
Natural England produces a general guidance leaflet for controlling moles. Where control measures can be justified, it is best carried out between October and April. There are two main methods:
poisoning with aluminium phosphide
trapping
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not what it says on there
I Quote "Moles are a widespread species and are not protected by conservation legislation, only having basic protection from cruelty under the Wild Mammals Protection Act 1996. "
Last one I shot was with my 22.250 worked quite well
I Quote "Moles are a widespread species and are not protected by conservation legislation, only having basic protection from cruelty under the Wild Mammals Protection Act 1996. "
Last one I shot was with my 22.250 worked quite well
06 March 2009, 03:03 PM
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Cool. TBH, I'd stab one to death if I could catch it. Or pull it's head off. They have turned many hours of work into a load of bumpy soil. Gits.
I have two tunnel mole traps down but nothing so far...
I have two tunnel mole traps down but nothing so far...
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I had a Daystate Harrier X which was fantastic.
What you will notice compared to the old Wembley is that there is literally no noise (with a decent silencer) with a modern PCP like the S410. Literally a "click" when you pull the trigger. Also they are easier to use, as there is no recoil at all, unlike the kick you will get from a "Springer" like the one you have now.
We have a great local gun shop. Link Below
They do second hand ones too.
Airgun buyer, Blackpool Air rifles and Airgun products Air pistol supplies and accessories
What you will notice compared to the old Wembley is that there is literally no noise (with a decent silencer) with a modern PCP like the S410. Literally a "click" when you pull the trigger. Also they are easier to use, as there is no recoil at all, unlike the kick you will get from a "Springer" like the one you have now.
We have a great local gun shop. Link Below
They do second hand ones too.Airgun buyer, Blackpool Air rifles and Airgun products Air pistol supplies and accessories
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This is my rifle, I have twin diving tanks to fill off, one fill does approx 500 shots.
Very quiet and can put a pellet on top of pellet at 30 yards.
http://www.airguns.pl/wiatrowka/wiat...ower-storm.jpg
Very quiet and can put a pellet on top of pellet at 30 yards.
http://www.airguns.pl/wiatrowka/wiat...ower-storm.jpg
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Yep but on the American websites they are tuning them to well over 40, using different gases and other easy tuning mods. All you have to do is strip it down and put in some 1/2 inch nylon washers and it takes it close to 21.
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No mine is just under 12ftlbs, getting done for no FAC is a big no no. I gave up my shotgun licence years ago and want to start shooting again so not worth the risk.
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I once had a Air Arms TX200 springer which was running at 13.6 fltb........ Unbeknown to me for a long time! If I'd have got caught (innocent as it was) Id have been in big trouble.....
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Your right, can't find what I was looking for. They used to publish a list of all legal quarry that could be taken with an air rifle.
