sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

its heartbreaking


why are kids allowed to own any sort of dog, let alone dogs that are used for dog fighting?

i would rather the teen yob society kept their knives and all stabbed each other than letting them own a dog that they use as a weapon and to abuse it when it gets too much for them

what the **** is wrong with society?

The Zohan

you would rather kids stabbed each other - what about the innocent kids who get stabbed and you ask what is wrong with society - get a grip!

Yes, using a dog to fight is wrong and there is something very wrong with anybody who does this or watches it - it is not entertaiment or sport - it is sick and wrong.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

i said that i would rather they stabbed each other than use dogs to fight their pathetic wars

i wish people would read opening posts properly

The Zohan

And of course nobody unconnected or innocent would ever get hurt would they... My point (which if you read my post properly) is that yes, it is wrong although you propose fighting with knives as an answser - as i said get a grip!

Jamz3k

where i live, a few teens/yobs have been stabbed, kneecapped etc. I've never heard of an innocent teens/yob getting stabbed or otherwise around my neck of the woods. But according to the News/TV they've all been the salt of the earth

So i'm with Sara, let them stab eachother and leave the dogs outta it.

Torquemada

That's pretty silly really, you know that.
Wouldn't it be better if none of them were knifing each other or attacking each other with dogs or making the dogs fight each other? Find something else for them to do rather than fight etc. all the time, ffs.

stilover

National Service.

Be convicted of being a yob, National service.

That'll sort the ******* out. Think you're hard? Lets see how hard you are dodging bullets

mrtheedge2u2

Is this said in relation to something that has been on the news?

Torquemada

That is one I do agree with. Not the same thing but I was in the cadets when I was a kid and it certainly sorted out discipline etc. and there was no way I was going to argue with some of the regulars who were training us, especially the guy who sorted our drill for the guard of honour parade!

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

yes, i was some clips of dogs being beaten by teenage owners and forced to fight each other. even when the dogs were seriously damaged they are left untreated or used as bait for other dogs, sickening. not enough is done to monitor dog ownership.
dog licenses used to be part of owning a dog, ok, they were 37.5p but it was a starting point.

i often see lads about looking too young or stupid to own a dog, a simple dog licence would allow the relevant people to intervene if a dog seems to be in the wrong hands or in danger



as for my comment on letting the yobs stab each other, it was a tongue in cheek comment. i know innocent people get caught up in the violence but i meant for the comment to be about yobs stabbing each other rather than inflicting injuries on their dogs


and the dogs are usually always Staffordshire Bull Terriors, one of the most loving and trusting dog breed there is. it makes me want to cry

stilover

Jamz3k

I couldn't care less if they were killing eachother, i'd prefer they were drowned at birth as generally scum breeds scum but thats probably against human rights

Torquemada

And unfortunately, imho, this kind of attitude is also part of the problem.
Keep treating people like cr@p and they will believe that's all they can ever be.

Jamz3k

What world do you live in mate? They SHOULD be treated like dirt because thats all they are but instead moral people like yourself give them free houses, free flat screen TV's and enough pocket change to feed there wee staffie without ever having to break a sweat doing a days work

The sooner people learn that being a scummer isn't alright the better.

mrtheedge2u2

You are polite to them and they still hurl abuse at you or try to intimidate you

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

its gone past being 'nice' to scum. they bite the hand that feeds them.

they will grown into adult scum and carry on infecting society by breeding and bringing up their own children to have no respect.

a few well placed vigilante groups would be welcomed in some areas imho

Torquemada

yeah, I know what you're saying and I don't think what happens is alright at all
but I don't see how continuing the negativity can get any sort of positive result.

Unfortunately it seems I livbe in a world where ignorance is the problem on all sides, it appears.

We're highly unlikely to be in a situation to be able cull these parts of the community, as that is, quite frankly, madness.

There's gotta be a better way than letting them all kill each other! Sure, cut benefits to the spongers and lazy feckwits but that is another matter.

I do think it's horrible what is done to dogs but it doesn't mean I think that someones son/daughter/brother or sister needs to die to make things right no matter what class they are.

Torquemada

And who would control these vigilante groups, who decides what's right and what's wrong once you take the police and government (however crud they have been so far) out of the equation!?

mrtheedge2u2

I strongly believe that if you carry a gun or knife then the intention is to use it do someone harm...... if these said people then end up the ones being hurt I have no sympathy for them.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

i am not saying that the things i have said are correct but that is how we are beginning to feel.

i know we cant all decent into lawlessness but it damn well makes you want to!

Jamz3k

You are very right there, but i cannot help think of myself and other hard workers who lead an honest life. How much can we actually take? how long before we break?

I'm only young myself but have been paying my tax and national insurance and getting nothing for it and if i lost my job what support would i get? My contributions to the state would be deemed too small.

If i had of left school and never tried to get a job thus never giving back to the state the benifits right now would be hanging off me. This is what creates the scum state.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

look at the case recently about the paedo that was mutilated and killed by a local group of people that were sick of what he was doing.

i bet paedos wont be quick to move back into that area in a hurry

The Zohan

yup, you are right, it never, ever happens does it.
BBC NEWS | UK | Innocent victim of gangland fight

UK National News - Mistaken identity theory in teenager's shooting

Teen cheats death after being stabbed in head - Europe - Independent.ie

I am all for punishing bad behaviour and punishing it hard!
the thread is just thoughtless rantings/letting off steam at best.

Does anybody really think the answer is really to let kids stab each other - you must be insane and not much better that the kids doing the stabbings...

Torquemada

That's the problem, it's not always these people who are hurt/killed.

I can see that all logic or understanding seems to have gone out the window - I can very well understand why you guys feel this way but it's really not the solution.

Torquemada

Lovely

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

thats the one

i bet the police are secretly relieved he is off the streets for good. that sort of retribution i agree with


i hope they don't find those who are responsible.

i am not so narrow minded that i think this should happen and is right but when it does it feels better than hearing that some sicko got early release and went out and ruined another child's life

mrtheedge2u2

I understand that...... if you go out carrying a weapon and are caught you should be given a mandatory and stiff penalty eg 5 years for a knife regardless of what you were doing at the time.