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Old 27 December 2008, 12:25 AM
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Vote them out soon.

No more blood spilled by our lads in their name.....
Old 27 December 2008, 12:28 AM
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That's right - the Tories have never sent anyone off to war
Old 27 December 2008, 12:38 AM
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the Tories have never sent anyone off to war
Not on the basis of lies and deceit - no sir, they have not!

Old 27 December 2008, 12:40 AM
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That's right - the Tories have never sent anyone to war or been involved in any decisions based on lies and deceit.

Keep taking the pills chap and I am sure they will help you with your breakfast in the morning. Porage is it?
Old 27 December 2008, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Not on the basis of lies and deceit - no sir, they have not!

And the General Belgrano?
Old 27 December 2008, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
And the General Belgrano?
Remind me Bubba, which direction was the Belgrano actually heading when it was attacked?

GOTCHA!
Old 27 December 2008, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Spooky Mulder
Remind me Bubba, which direction was the Belgrano actually heading when it was attacked?

GOTCHA!
I'm glad you asked me that, Spooky. OUT of the "exclusion zone" if I remember correctly.
Old 27 December 2008, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
And the General Belgrano?
Bah!!

To Quote the interweb:

Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.

So, bully for you and yer lefty tendencies
Old 27 December 2008, 12:50 AM
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That's what I thought. And I am sure that Commander Thatcher was instrumental in ordering the attack. On a ship leaving the combat zone, OUT of the exclusion zone and therefore against Geneva convention.

Are we sure she was a Tory, it doesn't sound possible. Not if we are to believe the Unclebuck chap.
Old 27 December 2008, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Bah!!

To Quote the interweb:

Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.

So, bully for you and yer lefty tendencies
The keyword is approach, not, retreat!
Old 27 December 2008, 12:53 AM
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Ah, so nothing much to say in your defense then??

Spooky indeed....
Old 27 December 2008, 12:57 AM
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I am not sure what I am defending, I am suggestion your argument in specious.

BTW are you American by any chance?
Old 27 December 2008, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Spooky Mulder
The keyword is approach, not, retreat!

I concur. Am I correct in assuming that the accuracy of global positioning apparatus was in its infancy at this point in history, and the General Belgrano may have simply strayed into the arbitrarily imposed "no-go area" accidentally? In these wonderful days our modern technological advances allow us to pinpoint our position to within a few metres of a given McDonald's waste bin by dint of an upmarket mobile telephone. This was not the case in the early 1980s. A simple challenge or something might have been more appropriate?
Old 27 December 2008, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Spooky Mulder
I am suggestion your argument in specious.

BTW are you American by any chance?
I'ma suggesting you're one of the Marx Brothers...




Justa gotta decide which one...
Old 27 December 2008, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
A simple challenge or something might have been more appropriate?
How every English. I think you'll find this was war. They were out to get us make no mistake. There was more than enough evidence...

Get in the way... They had been warned...

But back on topic.... what exactly are we 'fighting for' in the name of our Government now.....

I have no idea.....

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Old 27 December 2008, 08:02 AM
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I totally agree - it is entirely unclear what we are fighting for now.

It is also totally clear that duplicitous government in war or peace time is not a malaise that is unique to the Labour Party.

Err, what was it that got the Tories kicked out last time? Oh, yes, SLEAZE.

PS I think Groucho suits best
Old 27 December 2008, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
I have no idea.....
Succinct. Thanks for being so honest
Old 27 December 2008, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Spooky Mulder
I totally agree - it is entirely unclear what we are fighting for now.

It is also totally clear that duplicitous government in war or peace time is not a malaise that is unique to the Labour Party.

Err, what was it that got the Tories kicked out last time? Oh, yes, SLEAZE.

PS I think Groucho suits best
So your saying there's no sleaze in this Labour government?
Old 27 December 2008, 10:08 AM
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So your saying there's no sleaze in this Labour government?
Maybe our Government should improve literacy as well.

If you read my above post I propose that it is not unique to the Labour Party.

Old 27 December 2008, 10:26 AM
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The General Belgrano? Christ on a bike Bob, that was a quarter of a century ago! Personally, Im happy that it was sunk. Id have been happier if all of the conscripted crew had survived, but unfortunately they didnt. That said: the submarine that sank her could have broken her back with a salvo of torpedoes, leading to her sinking in a fraction of the time...
Old 27 December 2008, 10:35 AM
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Well, the tories would have found it difficult to embroil us in a war when they weren't in power, wouldn't they?
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You said deceiving Labour party, not sleeze, two different things in my book.
Old 27 December 2008, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Bah!!

To Quote the interweb:

Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.

So, bully for you and yer lefty tendencies
Makes sense to me. They weren't on a jolly trip round the bay, were they?
Old 27 December 2008, 11:15 AM
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And there's a whole LOT of differnce between lying to get your country embroiled in a war, and lying about what you're doing once another country has attacked your sovereign soil and declared war on you.............isn't there?
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
I concur. Am I correct in assuming that the accuracy of global positioning apparatus was in its infancy at this point in history, and the General Belgrano may have simply strayed into the arbitrarily imposed "no-go area" accidentally? In these wonderful days our modern technological advances allow us to pinpoint our position to within a few metres of a given McDonald's waste bin by dint of an upmarket mobile telephone. This was not the case in the early 1980s. A simple challenge or something might have been more appropriate?
Or, one could say the sinking of the "enemy's" flagship dealt a massive psychological blow, and helped save many more lives on both sides. We shall never know.
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What makes you think the current government is in anyway socialist? Why do people on SN keep peddling this misrepresentation. New Labour are no more socialist than Thatcher's government were. Why can people on here not get this through their heads. I know why I think it is, but it's Christmas so I will keep quiet
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
ub,

What makes you think the current government is in anyway socialist? Why do people on SN keep peddling this misrepresentation. New Labour are no more socialist than Thatcher's government were. Why can people on here not get this through their heads. I know why I think it is, but it's Christmas so I will keep quiet
It's because there are still quite a few old-style socialist lurking, keeping their heads down for the moment............
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
ub,

What makes you think the current government is in anyway socialist? Why do people on SN keep peddling this misrepresentation. New Labour are no more socialist than Thatcher's government were. Why can people on here not get this through their heads. I know why I think it is, but it's Christmas so I will keep quiet
Snouts in the trough, the same as, nay more than , any other govt! Anyone know the percentage rise in MP's pay since Labour came into power?
At least Thatcher's Mob had proper jobs to do in the mornings...
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
And there's a whole LOT of differnce between lying to get your country embroiled in a war, and lying about what you're doing once another country has attacked your sovereign soil and declared war on you.............isn't there?
What about lying about being able to use diplomacy to avoid another country attacking your sovereign soil in order to ensure it happens thereby creating an excuse to send the country to war and possibly change your fortunes in any forthcoming election on the back of a wave of patriotic feeling stirred up by the so called war? just a thought.

All politicians are greedy self serving pigs at the trough. Get used to it and realise nothing will change when Cameron gets in. Same ****, different party.
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Originally Posted by tanyatriangles
It's because there are still quite a few old-style socialist lurking, keeping their heads down for the moment............
I'm not 'lurking', I'm here! Over Here!!! me , me , me...I'm an old style socialist in the open for all to see...not lurking at all



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