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Old 15 December 2008, 06:39 PM
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Default Labour finally admit economic outlook far worse than Darlings Forcast!

Britain faces worst recession in history, Cabinet minister Tessa Jowell admits - Telegraph

Miss Jowell's comments as a "stunning admission" of the Government's true position on the scale of the economic downturn. The remarks suggest that the Government are considering the prospect of Britain facing a 1930s-style depression rather than a traditional recession.
IMO I don't think we'll quite go into a depression, but a deep recession is pretty much a dead-cert now.

Labour had been peddling the theory that we'll be in for hell next year, then things will pick up and be back to normal in 2010/11. Clearly this is not going to happen, and it's likely the slump could easily last 5years+
Old 15 December 2008, 07:11 PM
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Everything I have read has always said "slowly picking up towards the end of next year and getting better in 2010" I would believe the masses more that that one minister ?
Old 15 December 2008, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
Everything I have read has always said "slowly picking up towards the end of next year and getting better in 2010" I would believe the masses more that that one minister ?
Thats the whole point - the official line has been "thing picking up in 2010 etc", but she's basically letting on her that the 'unofficial' government view is much less rosy!

I suppose governments are there to try and put a positive spin on everything tho really
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We had a meeting at work last week to discuss the impact on our business.

As a whole for our industry things wern't too bad apparently, until Mr D

issued his statement saying the state of the economy is the worst ever!!,

apparently thats what knocked the confidence out of the market.

lets hope it recovers sooner than later


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Old 15 December 2008, 08:22 PM
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My account knows Darling .

Nice daughters apparently but the guy himselfs lives in lala land .
Old 15 December 2008, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
My account knows Darling .

Nice daughters apparently but the guy himselfs lives in lala land .
You've only got to LOOK at the guy, he looks like Terry F*ckwit out of the Viz

Personally, I reckon Sh*t Brown appointed the biggest loser he could find so that when the economy HE built went **** up, he could point the finger and say, "Not me gov, it was him," and we'd all believe it.

Some of us, however, have more sense............
Old 15 December 2008, 08:51 PM
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Darling can't even colour co ordinate his hair and eyebrows, how the hell do you expect the nut job to run the economy.
Old 15 December 2008, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Thats the whole point - the official line has been "thing picking up in 2010 etc", but she's basically letting on her that the 'unofficial' government view is much less rosy!

I suppose governments are there to try and put a positive spin on everything tho really

My reading has been to do with companies in the building trades etc and not what the government said I expected it to pick up this year but the FPDC predicted 2010 and they have been pretty close on what they say so far
Old 15 December 2008, 11:39 PM
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It's going to get a lot worse, Toyota are looking like next to slash a huge number of jobs (16k reported apparently), a host of other big names down sizing to cope with the financial troubles makes you wonder what will be left.

Add to that the Madoff guy who swindled god knows how much and he may only be one of many out there... you have to wonder what the financial tsunami will be from that :s
Old 15 December 2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
What do you call 'normal'? Unsustainable borrowing? Reckless lending by the Banks?

This is the new normallity
Old 16 December 2008, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by finalzero
It's going to get a lot worse, Toyota are looking like next to slash a huge number of jobs (16k reported apparently), :s
Where did you get that info?

we heard exactly the opposite during our meeting last week. Apparently they are well insulated from the current mess, due to the way they fund themselves


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Old 16 December 2008, 09:17 AM
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Where did everyone stash all the money they made during the 'Super Boom' time
Old 16 December 2008, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Clearly this is not going to happen, and it's likely the slump could easily last 5years+
What do you base this on? Are you saying the we will be in a recession for 5 year plus? Or the economy will stop shrinking and remain static?
Old 16 December 2008, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lozgti
Where did everyone stash all the money they made during the 'Super Boom' time
Ah, well, yes... no so much hidden, as invested... in BMW X5s etc.
Old 16 December 2008, 10:40 AM
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Media is the main culprit for messing things up IMO
Old 16 December 2008, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
Media is the main culprit for messing things up IMO
Yea, definately nothing to do with the government.

Old 16 December 2008, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
Media is the main culprit for messing things up IMO
please, not this old bullsh1t.
Old 16 December 2008, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TopBanana
please, not this old bullsh1t.
Its not bullsh1t at all. Its not the main culprit but the world is now a place where time isn't an issue so financial problems in one part of the world affect all parts almost instantly.

The media appears determined to convince us the world is turning to **** and eventually it has a knock on effect. Its obviously not the cause but its certainly a factor.

Funny how the Olympic minister is mentioning this as we've got to waste vast amount of money on the Olympics during the worst economic downturn.

She believes that multi-billion pound spending on the Olympics could help the economy during the downturn.

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Old 16 December 2008, 11:45 AM
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They have even found an excuse to reduce pensions next year too now!

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Old 16 December 2008, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mart360
We had a meeting at work last week to discuss the impact on our business.

As a whole for our industry things wern't too bad apparently, until Mr D

issued his statement saying the state of the economy is the worst ever!!,

apparently thats what knocked the confidence out of the market.

lets hope it recovers sooner than later


Mart
I hope I'm not speaking too soon but I entirely agree with this sentinment. My business (web design and SEO) was hit around Sept/Oct but this month we've just recorded our 2nd best ever month. Our clients have all (almost with exception) said their businesses have picked up this last month as well. Then we turn on the TV and hear the doom and gloom and it worries me because I am sure there is liquidity out there, but when hearing we have a 'year of hell' ahead, what should our clients, and indeed ourselves, do? Of course, most people will hang fire spending and that puts us back to square one again. I really believe the government should be fighting 2 fronts: the economic and the PR. This won't be the UK's worst ever recession but it is the UK's worst ever PR exercise.


R
Old 16 December 2008, 01:44 PM
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Im sure it depends on what buisness your in really

- i cant imagine where all this liquidity is going to come from though


But there you go , its doubtless just me - If you just imagine everthing is fine and dandy , itll doubtless just turn out that way

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