Geezer

The oldest known complete bible is to be digitised and put on the internet next year for all to see.

It raises some interesting questions for modern believers, not least the fact that the resurrection and ascension to heaven are not mentioned, the lynch pin of Christian belief really.

There are also two books which have been omitted from modern verisons which claims the Jews killed him, not the Romans and he wasn't such a nice guy.

Ok, personally I don't believe he ever existed, but for those that do, this paints a very differnet picture from the one that the church would like you to believe.

Geezer

hux309

Well it can always be argued the church has changed the bible over the millennia to suit it's needs.

Leslie

Can you prove that?

Les

Abdabz

As far as I am aware, the actual "Bible" is less than a thousand years old.

I also thought it was originally a culmination of tales that had been recounted in various places over the world...

Finally, I also thought that the world Bible is latin and loosely translates to "Bollocks" in English...

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

Well if the original poster is correct then it's there for you Les. Face facts your whole belief system is based on a con.

Geezer

Les,
For someone who is a believer, surely you can see the irony in what you said?

Geezer

what would scooby do

All belief systems are based on cons, can't just accuse christianity

Leslie

The real point is that you dont know what I believe in and on what it is based.

Les

hux309

Aah but can you prove the current bible is true.

bootsy

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AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

I'd like to create my own version of the Bible. It'll just be an update of the contemporary one, but it'll selectively remove references to Jesus and, instead, substitute the story of Brian of Nazareth. The story of Brian is, of course, already well documented, and although some may question whether all the details are true and correct, nobody has yet come up with conclusive proof that Brian did not, in fact, exist.

Then we'll see whether it's earlier or later versions that are regarded as 'correct'...

The Zohan

IMHO, no-one can prove one way or the other if it is true or not, or the definitive version or one altered to suit over the years.

As an agnostic i do belive that the bible and religion is a series of well constructed stories (maybe based on real events in some cases) designed to give the people of the time (and now) a moral framework and rules to live by, respect for others, etc. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Be good and lead a richeous life and go to heaven = reward for being good
Be bad, ignore the rules and do bad things and go to hell = punishment for being bad.

Simple and effective

Bubba po

This statement says to me that you have not read the Bible recently, or perhaps ever.

555)

iTrader: (1)

you have one life

live it how you want

a book written thousands of years ago means nothing whatsoever

it makes me sad that people believe the almighty will save them

family is the most important thing in life not the church

Steve vRS

The current bible was decided on at the Council of Nicaea.

First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here they decided on various factors that would be present in the Christian doctorine.

Steve

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

The thing is, it's each to their own. You, yourself have stated, 'live it how you want', well to be fair, that's what people who are religious, by and large are doing. Yes, there are some forced into a religious life, but I'd bet there are many more that make the choice, and therefore, they are entitled to do it and they are living they way they choose to.

I've said many times before, agree or not, people have the right to believe what they want to. The religious arguement will never end, some time soon imo, it's all based around faith/opinion and at the end of the day (at the moment) can't be proven either way really. It always just ends in the same arguements every time.

In my opinion, live and let live. We are all different and have different views. So long as no harm is done, then get on with it. That is aimed as much as religious folks as any other. If some of the religious people could adopt that, and accept others don't feel the same, I think we'd all be better off.

555)

iTrader: (1)

Lisawrx you come across as being very smart

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Cheers.

Thanks for not saying boring.

JackClark

Unless you're a born again christian, then it's live and let everyone else burn.

AndyC you should read 'The book of Dave' by Will Self.

Leslie

No more than you can that it isn't, so littlle point in arguing really, and still no reason for anyone to be rude about the matter.

Well said Lisawrx, can't say fairer than that!

Les

The Zohan

Or, it could be how i interpret it

Bubba po

There are many, MANY parts of the bible that you could in no way interpret as guides to morality. For instance, do you think it's morally
correct to offer up your unmarried daughters to rape and abuse in order to protect your male houseguests?

hux309

Who said i was being rude, merely being provocative.

Leslie

I gave the wrong impression, I did not mean to infer that you were being rude, but a lot of people can't wait to use the excuse to be unnecessarily unpleasant about such matters.

I saw your provocation and decided to reply in kind!

Les

Gordo

It's still very interesting to hear about this bible / codex.

It does kind of blow holes in the point of buying easter eggs if Jesus didn't rise again. Bugger - I like that whole chocolate fest thing in the name of religion!

Gordo

hux309

Fair enough, it is easy to get out of hand, i respect people's choices and all i ask in kind is they respect mine.

Unless you're a mormon then you'll get torn to shreds as they never take no for an answer.

The Zohan

Cool, being agnostic the buible is not really top of my list of books to read, did tackle the new and old testaments when i was in my teens though. found them a bit turgid, gave up and read LotR instead

Cannot possibly comment on the above as i am not familar with it although does seem a tad sexist

10 commandments does seem like a good guide mind and one i think most would agree is pretty fair and decent, even us agnostics

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Its all true, I wont hear a word against it, but oh dear, the Koran is all true as well but contradicts the Bible, therefore they cant both be right and if I come down on the side of the bible and happen to mention to the Muslims that perhaps they have got some bits a bit wrong I am not going to be the one to point it out.

The bible was written by people, people are fallible, they get things wrong, especially during what was a fairly unenlightened time, the world was flat, everything was a sign from god, you got burnt at the stake for practically any reason, its all been passed down and altered,


For that reason, Im Out.

Now if Haynes release a factual guide to Human Existence and Morals for £15.99 then I would be first to nip down to Halfords.

Geezer

People do have the right to believe what they want of course, but it would be interesting to see how many people believed if they were given a full education, then presented with the idea of religion once they were adults.

Having something drilled into you as true when you are a child is very compelling, and hard to break. Hell, that's why the ***** had the Hitler Youth!
Seriously though, I doubt there would be many if that were to happen.

Geezer

Publilius Syrus

The "Bible", many books containing many truths, or versions of truths confused with religious convictions.

If it (or one of its many versions) brings comfort to some who are we to criticize its validity?