boxst

No particularly because of this: Blair's 'Secret Memo' Attacks PM - Yahoo! News UK

Just that it is so widely reported. which normally means the press senses (and is trying to bring about) change.

Steve

TelBoy

Dead man walking.


Whoever they elect as leader won't save them at the next election, i think most Labour MPs accept that.

Eddie1980

Mr Brown has a date with the destiny of "GET OUT you retard"

richie kaye

Gorden brown,has just took the working class peolpe and hit them where it hurts in the pocket!!!

It seems to be a growing pain in the rear to own a nice car,after reading the"braise yourself" in the general section and the plans to increase road tax on the amount of co2 the car produces,im sure we will have to get friendly with the m.o.t testers and slip them a bung to put that prong up the backbox of a renault clio 1.2....

Im currently looking to buy a scooby wrx jap import,im bricking it with the running costs and an engine rebuilt after it goes POP...(just preping myself)

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

I'm not sure even new NL are stupid enough to try and out him; they saw, and benefited from, the immense damage done to the Tories during the leadership challenge to John Major!

That said, they're beaten anyway, so maybe they're thinking they may as well go out with a bang!

Ns04

TelBoy

Braise yourself, lol. What with, a mushroom sauce?

lozgti

Problem is,British Public think (me included)

Blair,charismatic,Britain had some good times and we all thought we were wealthy

Brown pushes Blair out,everything goes down the pan,everything he does or is involved in just goes wrong basically.

whether or not 'global' economic problems are the cause won't change most people's thoughts that it is Browns fault why it is imploding.

Why not have a fresh face for an election ? (still no chance of my vote though...I'll never be fooled by the Tax Crazy party ever again )

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Central problem with Blair government summed up by a certain US president.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

Blair left just as the bubble of spin, spin, spin over substance burst leaving Brown (who already breaks the golden rule of leadership by having no charisma) with nothing else left to do but apologise for the mess!

Ns04

mart360

Trouble is, they now are starting to smack of sour grapes, and will unfortunately use this period of decline-loss to sign us up to any loony policy and tax raping incentive they can.

Have you ever seen a politician openly stand up and admit they got it wrong? even with the ship heading to 20,000 fathoms, theyd still say it was afloat.

teflon mastered spin, gordo smoke and mirrors, unfortunately the only losers are us, theyve gone out on cast iron pensions and marketing deals.

Even when the other side get in, it will take years to put it right, whilst all the time being criticised by the losers.

If you say on average from ebeing elected, they take 5 years to get things on an even keel/ rebuild things, then 5 years to build up the reserves, then get voted out, the other side will then deplete the reserves, and then drive us back into the red.

the house of cards survived for so long because of there predecessors work, not there own work!!!, whoever comes in next has foundations that are in dire need of underpinning



Mart

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

LOL Granted this government are bad, but please don't try and tell me the previous one was any better. They mismanaged the economy for 14 years before Ken Clark started to get things right. What strange and selective memories you lot have on here

All politicians no matter which party they are from are greedy and self serving, they don't give a toss about us. If you really think 'the other side' are going to put things right or even really want to I feel you are in for a bit of a shock

itr786

Tony Blairs the f**king a**hole who has destroyed the labour party, Gordon Brown never stood a chance, though I don't think his done himself any favours of late.

scooby L

No...but Red was never my colour...

Martin2005

When you say 'destroyed' do you mean he destroyed it by making it electable once more, moving away from failed and outdated socialist doctrine?

Martin2005

Dear Lord!!

Do you actually believe this?

The Zohan

And the answer is to let them continue or what then?

Blair handed Brown the poisoned chalice that is the Prime minister-ship, Brown was to fixated and blinkered to notice it was full of stinking poo and skeletons about to come out of the closet.

Since Being in power it has all gone wrong At least Brown has got to see what 10 years of NL can do, helped in no small way by him.

Brown has just kept kicking the low paid and working classes in the bollox instead of helping them.

Recent failures include the loss of the 10p tax rate to help those living on the lowest of incomes - and when he had a chance to do something he handed back £ 200.00 for this year only - ****!

Backdated car tax increases thus making more people worse off and some cars almost valueless. Oh and no it only affects the well off, people who bought a 65/6 y/o people carrier to cart their brood around are often working class.



I for one hope Camoron is not a moron and can help turn things around!

If not then he is gonna get a lot of stick and i might even be the next Guy Fawkes

Martin2005

Paul you're being a bit 'one-eyed' again!

It's a bit unfair to say Brown has 'kept kicking the low paid and working classes in the bollox'. True the 10p thing was dumb, but this government has done some good things too for the poorest in our society

Minimum wage - remember that?
Tax credits - Yes those, these have had a significant redistribution effect (which I know you'll hate )

I get the impression that a lot of people on here actually want things to go wrong, so that they can have a go at the gov. Personally I wish the government well WHOEVER THEY ARE!

PeteBrant

Whatever happens - I just hope we don't have another landslide for either side - We need a government that does not have carte blanche to do whatever it like, as we have for the last 30 years.
When Labour took over from the Tories, Public debt was at 44% of GDP - it's currently at 38%

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Well in truth I don't know what the answer is. I do know that blindly hoping the 'other side' will be better is not a good answer.

If Cameron wants to be taken seriously he needs to start telling us what he intends to do and all these excuses about if he does Labour will steal his ideas are just pathetic. This is governing the country not playground politics FFS.

I do have to laugh a little at the amount of condemnation this government get in NSR, it's like Thatcher's Britain never happened LOL! Not saying they are good as they aren't but they are no worse than the previous incumbents.

Career politicians - all of them.

lozgti

I was a hardened (brainwashed) conservative.

Blair made me drop my guard

Cameron and the current conservatives don't have anything to tempt me back.

Which leaves me with the other junk on the ballot paper,one of which I will vote for unless someone pulls their finger out.

Bring back the days when you could tell which lot were blue and which were red

mart360

So if its at 38% why is he proposing to break the fiscal rule on borrowing and plunge us into more debt?


because he,s broke thats why!!!

where was all the money he raked in from taxes etc, sale of gold reserves

squandered on, pet projects that failed to deliver.


Mart

mart360

you obviously dont , which means either:

Your too young to have been through 2 or more successive governments,

or you're only ever known teflon & co, and haven't really understood what its been like to have your finances depleted from day one of teflon & co.


I've been through the winter of discontent, powercuts, food shortages, and high unemployment courtesy of NL mk1

Enjoyed good money & started to climb the property ladder from the following Conservative government,

Only to watch it go wrong, when teflon & robin came to power.

I,m not saying any of them are goldplated, but based on the last 40 odd years, i know which gov i'd rather have


Mart

PeteBrant

It's his own rule. The Tories borrowed huge amounts during the recession.

What pet projects? The money wasn't "squandered"; it was spent running the country. (Although one could argue it could have been spent more wisely)

When the times are good, you have a surplus, when they are bad you will borrow. That's not a Gordon Brown thing, thats everywhere. In the recession of the early 90's Government borrowing rose from £11 billion to £46billion in 2 years. The tax revenue dies off as people stop spending money, buying houses, unemployment etc.

As the economy turned around from '97 to 2000 we were running at a surplus. The important thing is that you can balance the books at the end of an economic cycle.

Of course there is an alternative to Goverment Borrowing:

1. Put up taxes
2. Cut public services.

Neither of which appeal to me personally. Neither do they appeal to Brown, nor to to our Prime Minister in waiting.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Mart if you got on the property ladder under the Tories without getting burned you are a genius.

If you subsequently got burned in the property market in the last 10 years I fear the genius must have deserted you.

Sorry Mart but I fear you are just letting your dislike of the government cloud every post you make. Unless you are monumentally greedy or monumentally stupid neither of which I think applies to you I just do not see how you could have got into trouble property wise in the last 10 years unless you bought 6 months ago at the height of the market with a 105% mortgage and now have to sell.

Martin2005

If you are attempting to patronise me then try harder.

I'm 40 years old so I very well remember the good and the bad from both sides

Record unemployment occured under the conservatives!

It's a basic fact that the standard of living in this country over the past 10 or so years is higher than it has ever been!

If you did resort to silly name calling of our politicians then it would be a bit

Try at least to balance your posts a bit matey, and the silly name calling of politicians, whether you like them or not is a bit pointless and does nothing for your arguement

mart360

We bought just as the 80,s boom took off so our property was very cheap.

I gave that property to my wife when i divorced.

we bought our second property 7 years ago, and have watched its value climb. at the moment it may be loosing money in relative terms, but were nowhere near NE so its still made us money. (we also had the foresight to take out a 10 year fixed mortgage). housing is very cyclic if you look back at trends.

dislike this gov? whatever makes you think that?


i wouldnt trust them as far as i could throw them, (and thats not far)


Mart