Allez friggin loooooyah !!
16 July 2008, 03:33 PM
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Allez friggin loooooyah !!
As long as this is not a joke it seems common sense has finally prevailed.
Have-a-go heroes get legal right to defend themselves - Telegraph
Hmm I knew thew would have to be a reason for it !!
For example, homeowners would be able stab or shoot a burglar if confronted or tackle them and use force to detain them until police arrive. Muggers could be legally punched and beaten in the street or have their own weapons used against them.
The new self defence law, which came into force yesterday, is contained in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 and was announced by Mr Straw last September.
He is understood to have decided new laws were necessary after he was involved in four "have-a go’’ incidents, which included chasing and restraining muggers near his south London home.
He is understood to have decided new laws were necessary after he was involved in four "have-a go’’ incidents, which included chasing and restraining muggers near his south London home.
Hmm I knew thew would have to be a reason for it !!
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16 July 2008, 03:48 PM
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Youve always been able to defend yourself. Hopefully this means that you wont have to defend yourself in court too. Tony Martin would still be f*cked though.....
16 July 2008, 03:51 PM
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In fact, when you get into it, the law hasnt been changed at all: theres just a better chance that common sense will prevail after the event and before you find yourself in the dock.
16 July 2008, 03:57 PM
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Really, this is just a cynical attempt to take the wind out if the Conservative partys sails, with an election on the horizon (and very much in Gordon Browns mind). Theyre banking on people actually believing that they have fundamentally altered something for the better, but they havent. The right in common law, has always existed, for a person to defend themselves, their family and their property. All this really does is point out that this is still the case, in a climate where 'the system' seems to have lost track of common and case law, in a human rights obsessed, target driven, shoot the easiest target focussed politically correct fuddle. You could argue, of course, that it was this governments meddling that f*cked everything up in the first place...
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16 July 2008, 05:27 PM
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Reminds me of the time a friend of mine caught someone in the process of stealing a car on his driveway who ended up being hospitalised.
I recall the statement said...after a "scuffle" the thief fell and hit his head on the bonnet.
Fortunately (or unfortunately for the thief), they forgot to put the word "repeatedly" at the end of that particular sentence.
I recall the statement said...after a "scuffle" the thief fell and hit his head on the bonnet.
Fortunately (or unfortunately for the thief), they forgot to put the word "repeatedly" at the end of that particular sentence.
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17 July 2008, 12:03 PM
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I think probably because they deemed that some people had crossed the line between "defending" and carrying out an act of retribution.
17 July 2008, 01:05 PM
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I think you have to consider the basic question "Who started it?"
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17 July 2008, 01:27 PM
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Maybe I just think to simply!!
But If I don't want to risk getting bitten by a dog I don't go near a dog!
If I don't want to get beaten up or arrested I won't burgle someones house!
to me it is common sense.
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However, let's say someone break into your house. You have every right to defend yourself and your property. What you don't have the right to do is, say, hit them over them over the head, kocking them out, and then them repeatedly jump on thier heads and pull of thier genitals with a monkey wrench - Much as you may want to.
There has to be some proportion if you see what I mean.
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Good news indeed.
Take one Mr. Burglar
Take one angry Staffie who doesn't like been waken up for anything other than food or a tummy rub
Take one angry owner who just happens to own a Shotgun.
Hello Mr. Burglar. When this is over can you tell me which hurts more. The dog chewing your ***** off, or your hand getting shot off.
And now I won't go to jail or have my dog put down.
Take one Mr. Burglar
Take one angry Staffie who doesn't like been waken up for anything other than food or a tummy rub
Take one angry owner who just happens to own a Shotgun.
Hello Mr. Burglar. When this is over can you tell me which hurts more. The dog chewing your ***** off, or your hand getting shot off.
And now I won't go to jail or have my dog put down.
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Really, this is just a cynical attempt to take the wind out if the Conservative partys sails, with an election on the horizon (and very much in Gordon Browns mind). Theyre banking on people actually believing that they have fundamentally altered something for the better, but they havent. The right in common law, has always existed, for a person to defend themselves, their family and their property. All this really does is point out that this is still the case, in a climate where 'the system' seems to have lost track of common and case law, in a human rights obsessed, target driven, shoot the easiest target focussed politically correct fuddle. You could argue, of course, that it was this governments meddling that f*cked everything up in the first place...
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