RobJenks

Horror at the supermarket: Father fights for his life after 'check-out rage' attack | Mail Online

Victim white - assailant Black

JimmyBFC

tsk...tsk...I hate queue jumpers....lol

Sound fvckin brutal..

Why does no-one dare to step in anymore and stop crap like this happening, has anyone got any *****?

myblackwrx

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BBC NEWS | England | London | Man dies after supermarket attack

Now dead unfortunately

The Zohan

Disgusting, sickening and another sign of the times and lawless, respectless Britian.

dpb

57 year old - oh well theres time yet for me

it sounds like muiorder and the other details are irrelevent.!

FlightMan

Well if the assailant just walked up to the guy and lumped him, without any warning, how exactly do you stop that?

Guy needs locking up and the key thrown away.

Shame it'll never happen. Manslaughter at best. 10 years, out in 5.

PeteBrant

What's that got to do with anything?

Are you going to be reporting the races involved in all your threads from now on?

The Zohan

Not sure that that is true, maybe the assailant was born and bred in the uk, may be he is a 'recent' immigrant, asylum seeker, etc. TBH the colour of the person is irrelvant, really it is

It needs looking at and if the latter then perhaps we should look harder and take a more robust approach to who we or rather thiose in a position to say yes or no allow to stay.

who knows and i do doubt anything will be looked into unells uncovered by the press, gov't very happy to let things slide.

myblackwrx

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To be fair he's just quoted from the link (admittedly making a bit more of a point about it by highlighting the fact) but i can see the point that if a whitey did it to a black or any other ethnic person it would be deemed as racist (even if the attack wasn't racially motivated).

PeteBrant

Well, and calling the thread " what a surpirse" is a bit of a give away.

Thing is, there is far more white on white crime than there is black on white, white on black, or black on black. So yes, it *is* a surprise

And I don't buy that any attack of white people on black people is deemed racially motivated. It entirely depends on the circumstances.

Nate

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Is there more white on white crime per capita of the white community than there is black on black per capita on the black community?

As there is a majority of white people in the UK, white on white crime IS going to be higher, the tellings tales would be the percentage of crimes within their own colour (White or Black).

PeteBrant

It depends on the type of crime I beleive. If you are Black, you are at more risk of personal crime, but not of household crime.

Finding a figure per capita, per race, is very very difficult.

It's the BRITISH crime survey - the only qualification is crime in Britian.

Not sure why the per captia figure is more telling? Surely the number of total crimes determines your exposure to it (and where you live will have an effect)

myblackwrx

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I'm refering to the fanatical PC ness of this countrys' press that as soon as an ethnic group is attacked that it is racist.
I was looking few a BBC reports about Asian/Black etc youths being attacked and normally the first comment is that it is or isn't racist not that it's just a violent crime.

I'm sure there is a lot more white on white crime as we do make up a considerable proportion of this country

PeteBrant

Yup I think the media have a responsbility in this.

myblackwrx

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And when has the media ever been responsible unfortunately incidents like this will just stoke the fire of the BNP

Shark Man

Arrgg! a Daily Mail link


I would like that women to be charged with something.

She knew what her husband was capeble of inflicting severe bodily harm, so she dragged him round a store to find the person she wanted him to attack and then failed to make sure that he was going to attack the right person.

I'm certain she could be charged as an accomplice.

Jerome

Good point, I think she is just as culpable as the attacker.

davyboy

If you were describing someone to your neandethal husband to hit, surely you'd use age to help descibe the person?

Mrs WRX

How the hell can you mistake a 57 year old man with an 18 year old hoodie??

Geezer

Reading the article, I don't think he did. His wife simply said "that's him" and he hit the wrong guy. She may have pointed at the youth, but her husband simply thought it was the other guy.

Tragic

Geezer

Shark Man

I think may of us driver have been there (albeit less tragic): Ever been driving in an unfamiliar area and teh back seat driver pipes up and shouts "that way" pointing; You look and from your perspective they are pointing in a entirely different direction - and conseqentally we end up going the wrong way.

That's why pointing and saying "that way" is banned in my car - monkeys point. And describing what you see and where to go helps the observational skills.

J4CKO

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I could say it is probably irrelevant, the relative ethnic backgrounds in this case as to say anything else seems to court howls of "Racist", though I have an impression, be it right or wrong that there is a disproportinate amount of violent crime perportated by memember of the Black community, white people are as well but a fair proportion of stabbings and shootings seem to involve Black people, this is not me saying I hate Black people, its an impression I get from watching the news. I personally, thus far have not been stabbed or shot by anyone of any race or colour, no black person has ever wronged me in any way.

Is this due to social issues, i.e. depravation that makes people more prone to violence, is it genetic and does it exist at all, is it the media. I think that a lot of Black cuture glorifies and celebrates violence, just listen to the lyrics in a lot of Rap music, that doesnt sit easy with me, calling women Hoes and talking about killing but then I am from Cheshire, not Compton.

Now thats my opinion, I may be completely wrong but I am not going to not have an opinion just because it isnt pc, the pc thing is causing us to avoid issues as saying what we think can cause so many problems. The pendulum has swung from our grandparents time of Racism for the sake of it all the way to PC at all costs, maybe now it is taking time to find a sensible position, one that will allow the country as a whole to find out why these problems occur.

myblackwrx

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'It emerged today that Virasami was wearing an electronic tag at the time of the incident because he had been released on bail for another offence.


A source said: 'Senior officers are absolutely furious that the attacker, who was tagged, had been allowed on bail for some other offence'

Well tagging is useful then isn't it

v8voodoo

Read the full article.

It appears that an 18 year old abusive chav was shouting at the store staff and had also insulted the attackers wife.

The mistaken identity and the guy hitting his head on the floor causing severe injuries is exceptionally tragic.

Just a few details changed would result in: 37 yr old man stands up to chav and gives him a pasting for insulting wife. That's what was intended to happen, though a few circumstances have altered it to what has tragically, actually happened.

I'm not condoning violence, as this example shows what could happen, but it's a shame that it wasn't the abusive chav not getting what appears to be a well deserved smack in the teeth from picking on the wrong person.

Leslie

As a matter of interest, I wonder if you could explain how you personally would have stepped in to prevent a complete surprise attack on a man who was doing nothing more than waiting in the queue?

Les

PeteBrant

Thing is Les, there's a bit more to it than that, read vindaloos post above.

J4CKO

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Sounds like two bad lots winding each other up and then one, so excited at the chance of snotting someone gets the wrong bloke, stupid and agressive the pair of them.

As for stepping in, its Sainsbury's, to be honest I dont want to see people getting battered to death, a gobby chav is bad enough but seeing someone sparked out would only make it worse, basically security should be called and the Police to escort the little turd off the premises, probably off his face on Cider and now regrets getting some poor sod killed.

I think I would make a point of not hitting people in a supermarket and if I did I would at least try and get the right one, the chav sounds like a gobby idiot but the assailant sounds like a F*ckin animal, tagged for previous offences already and capable of resorting to violence so quickly.

DCI Gene Hunt

Shocking........


Throw the feckin key away..... victim was 57 and now leaves a 5 year old child fatherless

J4CKO

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Indeed, but he didnt mean to, my opinion would be, bad luck but you are violent towards anyone in that manner it is a possible outcome, if you are concerned about any possible murder charges dont execute piledriver punches on people in Supermarkets, 20 years, next !

New_scooby_04

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^^^^What he said^^^^^