FlightMan

Anyone hear John Hutton on the BBC telling people who don't like the retrospective tax grab on VED to "sell their cars"?

I'll telly you what John, sell your constituency home pal. because after the next general election YOU WON'T NEED IT!!!

PeteBrant

I think, that the new VED rates are *almost* dead in the water. Already 30 odd MPS have urged the PM to reconsider - Once that number gets up around the 45 mark, then they will almost have to abandon, or at least seriously modify the proposal.

However, this relies on pressure coming from the Tories as well, and I haven't heard if they are against the new proposed rates or not yet.

The same applies to the 2p hike on fuel in October. Given pressure from back bench MPs and the opposition, then that will have to be abandoned too. But again, it relies on pressure from the Tories and I don't know what thier position is on this is.

FlightMan

Don't see why this requires pressure for the Tories? It's a retrospective tax grab, hitting people who made descions on car purchases up to 7 years ago. Any decent human beign shoudl be against that.

PeteBrant

It requires the Tories to support any vote on scrapping the retrospective VED rises.

The Labour back benchers can force a vote if the rest of the house supports it - I dont know whether the Tories or especially Lib Dems would, considering the impact it will have on the green credentials.

The Chief

John Hutton is a pompous t**t of the first order. Labour have their heads up their own ***** its untrue, they are so out of touch with the general public they wont realise how p***ed off we are until they are voted out.

This goverment has become dictatorship whilst MP's are busy screwing the system and feathering their own nests.

Dont do as we do but do as we say

r32

Doesnt Gordo realise drivers are voters too?

Dan W

come on Gordon you spineless toe rag. Call an election.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

So I seel the car I paid nine grand for after being stung for a massive hike in VED, of course nobody else will have noticed and I will get a decent amount for my car, it wont be artifically devalued at all, will it ?

Perhaps Mr Hutton will give me a reasonable price for it ?

I worked to save up for that car, I can *almost*kind of take the VED rise but not some crass w4nkr telling me to sell it after he and his cronies have made it obsolete.

But then again I am a smug, middle class, wealthy climate vandal and obviously I deserve to be pillaged to pay for this goverments benevolence towards the idle, the clueless and the worlds waifs and strays.

But guess what, I am entitled to vote, and will !

SJ_Skyline

Under John Major's sleazy government only one person was being fcuked at a time, not the entire country...

Come in no. 10, your time is up!

Dan W

well said. **** the green issue TBH. I am sick and tired of hearing left wing zealots telling me how to think.

All I try and do is be an honest law abiding citizen who works and pays taxes.

All I hear in return is that I'm in the wrong because I'm male, I'm in the wrong because I'm white, I'm in the wrong because I own a car (2 actually) but **** em - i rely on the car(s) as it would be completely impossible to do my job without them.

on and on and on they go.

Rant over (just about)

Sorry people. It just gets me goat up.

j4ckos mate

sell your car, what a stupid comment.

people will still sell them and of course buy them it will just knock a bit of the value of them.

can you imagine buying a big car like a v6 modeo or 525 on credit, getting stuffed on the fuel and now on the tax of them.

GOLDMAN 555

Has anybody else noticed the slaughter that is going on with residual values in the second-hand car market…..

Obviously Scoobys are hard-hit.

I went to an auction last week and I just could not believe the prices high fuel consumption cars were going for.

There were loads of M3’s(e46) going for between £10,000 and £14,000 ) one brand new(300 miles) E90 went for £36750 !!!!

They didn't even shift the Cayenne’s on offer.


Clearly Gordon Brown is having an effect……… if you have a high fuel consumption/high insurance car you are basically screwed.

NACRO

I hate to side with the government on anything but the car tax issue is one thing they've got right.
You can't drive a car that uses huge quantities of fuel and produces a lot of pollutants without paying the penalty at the pumps and in terms of VED. If it's a problem then buy a diesel Polo or similar and make a nice saving.

Look on the bright side in many ways this works in favour of the true car enthusiast who can afford his/her automotive kicks because it means there will be a better selection of cheaper high performance cars on the market.

PeteBrant

I personally think they got it wrong on this one. I think had they just stuck the VED rise on 2006 and newer cars (i..e when band "g" hit) then they would be perfectly entitled to do so.

But to stick these rises on 2001 to 2006 cars is verging on immoral. Its one thing to raise VED for cars £10 per year across the board, but to raise them by £200 is ridiculous, given that it is being applied to a car 7 years after you bought it.

I don't buy the "you could see which way the government was going over the lat 10 years" point made over the weekend. To be honest I find it quite offensive. Its like saying "well you should have seen it coming".

Government should not base introduction of policy on the psychic ability of the public.

Given recent events, I don;'t think its going to happen. I think the government will be forced into a U-turn over it (although I have a feelign they will hold on to the bitter end, they won't want to have to do *another* U-turn). It relies on a coupel fo things - Enough back benchers making a loud enough noise, and Torys applying pressure over it.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

We have that already and its called VAT!

FlightMan

It's the restrospective element of this that's got everyones backs up.

This guys got the right idea.

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Sarkozy suggests cap on fuel tax

The Chief

But what about the enthusiast who has spent a few quid on their car before this came about and has now taken a big hit. Ok a lot who can afford a 50,60,70k + car may be able to swallow it but at the end of the day its your money that has been squandered by this goverment.

A lot of succesful people are extremly careful with their money - why should they take a loss because of some stupid inept goverment who sees the motorist as an easy target

NACRO

The retroactive nature of the policy does seem harsh I have to admit.
Yet as the government have said it's hardly a new direction for them is it? Their policy on this has been clear for several years. They are seeking to reduce the number of people driving so called 'gas guzzling' cars.
Therefore it's hardly a surprise when they bring in a measure like this.
My own take on the matter is that the less people driving luxury and performance cars the better. It will be good to see the common man driving nice, sensible and economic diesel cars in the short term and better when road pricing comes in and removes a lot of the congestion from our roads.
In the final analysis car ownership isn't a basic human right or need- if you cannot afford it then it's time to look at other options.

The Chief

With all respect (and i mean that) you'd have a different viewpoint if your earnings were more inline with the national average.

NACRO

My earnings have nothing to do with my opinion.
It's pretty simple, there are too many cars on the road, too many people vying for limited space and too many selfish people making needless trips.
Nobody actually needs a car. They've merely built a lifestyle around the use of one and now things are beginning to bite financially people don't like it.
That's perfectly understandable however rather than whining about fuel costs, tax and the like why not accept reality and begin to look for alternative ways of living or transporting themselves around?
I'd like to see Mr Average back on a Honda C90 schlepping to work instead of his financed X5.

The Chief

So basically its ok for the rich to swan about regardless whilst the working class can go and get f**ked.

A very victorian viewpoint there.

NACRO

Sadly money is the only tool we have of apportioning use of resources. Besides I hardly think that people who most likely support the capitalist system have the right to complain when it shafts them.

This idea is the way to go but it has it's own cost drawbacks.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | MPs back personal carbon credits

PeteBrant

I was going mention something along those lines.

I shall be reminding The Chief of his socialist tendencies next time the benefit debate comes up

The Chief

Get 'em all back to work

The Chief

Maybe a good idea but sadly i believe that most MPs dont give a hoot about the enviroment and its purely about rasing revenue to sutain (or try and sustain) their failings with the economy.

If all the car manufacturers turned aroudn tommorrow and said 'all our cars are now hydrogen powered' the goverment would still come up with some bulls**t excuse to tax the crap out of them

scoobynutta555

I don't see what the fuss is about TBH. These new bands and taxes aren't something brand new, it's been knowledge for some time now. In a sense John Hutton is right, if you don't like it sell your car. I don't think the gov't have gone far enough, I'd have doubled what they're asking for in 2010.

Jerome

Too whom has this been knowledge exactly?

I follow current afffairs and the retrospective element of the increase was a surprise (shock actually) to me.

As mentioned earlier, the value of cars caught up in the retrospective years will potentially plummet in value.

Furthermore, if the retrospective part of the tax increase is not unfair, we should backdate it indefinitely. Shame about the classic car owners, but they should have seen it coming...

OllyK

BBC NEWS | Politics | Speculation over road tax rethink

Chancellor is listening apparently, be nice if NL managed to take the next step beyond that and take action based on what they have heard rather than nodding sagely and promptly ignoring it.

scoobynutta555

Band G was announced in the March 2006 budget. Hence why my mate at work who had just bought a brand new BMW sold it 2 weeks after the budget announcement. Over 2 months ago the gov't announced that from 2010 the new rates would be put in place. I would suggest that someone who follows current affairs closely and who had a car that qualified for the higher rate, who didn't want to pay this rate, would have had the foresight to have sold it by now.

Furthermore, I wouldn't care to much if the tax was backdated to classic owners such as myself as I'll be selling it after the summer anyway . Quite possibly to a FUGLY owner who has only just realised they'll be forking out £455 to tax their car each year