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Old 02 April 2008, 12:35 PM
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BBC NEWS | England | Bradford | Shannon stepfather in **** arrest
Old 02 April 2008, 12:50 PM
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Who didnt know that this would be child-****, before reading the story?

Unless theres an indisputable link between him and the source, through his credit card for example, then Im far from convinced (even though he looks like a dirty f*ck-witted workshy charver)...

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Old 02 April 2008, 01:12 PM
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It's always Child **** isn't it?

TBH the whole Matthews family thing looks just wrong. He looks like a Pedo, and the mother is obviously the local bike. An old, ugly knackered Bike at that.
Old 02 April 2008, 01:18 PM
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No wonder the poor girl did not want to go back home.

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Old 02 April 2008, 01:25 PM
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From what I saw on the news I would fire bomb the entire estate. I don't think anybody would be missed and the amount of benfits we would save could be in the millions......

fcking scum the lot of em
Old 02 April 2008, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
It's always Child **** isn't it?

TBH the whole Matthews family thing looks just wrong. He looks like a Pedo, and the mother is obviously the local bike. An old, ugly knackered Bike at that.
pmsl...hitting every branch when she felll out of the ugly tree aswell
Old 02 April 2008, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
It's always Child **** isn't it?
That's like saying its always people robbing the bank that get arrested and never those using the ATM normally!

Having said that - i would expect that anyone who has spent more than 10 mins searching for **** (of any sort) on a pc would have a hard drive with images on that would be enough to get police interest if they were feeling inclined.
Old 02 April 2008, 02:25 PM
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cobblers
id be happy to offer up my pc anytime
sure ive got a few saucy films ....................
but thats a world away from child pornography
anyone looking for images of kids needs to die
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Old 02 April 2008, 02:29 PM
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These kind of things always concern me. Purely from a selfish point of view which is if someone took a look at my computer I'm SURE they would find something less than okay. Not because I look for this kind of thing but because I look occasionally for software and those sites are full of unsavoury things.

As Tigg mentions above unless you just check your email and visit the BBC website you will have something incriminating on your hard drive: Even visiting some of the more colourful threads on here would lead to interesting sites being listed.

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Old 02 April 2008, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by boxst
These kind of things always concern me. Purely from a selfish point of view which is if someone took a look at my computer I'm SURE they would find something less than okay. Not because I look for this kind of thing but because I look occasionally for software and those sites are full of unsavoury things.
..... but they would also find some mighty fine babe-a-licious material as well
Old 02 April 2008, 02:35 PM
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Surely you don't get indecent images of children on your PC, just by visiting legal **** websites though?

You may have a link to the URL in your IE history, but possessing images means you have actually downloaded them, or am I being naive?
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
Surely you don't get indecent images of children on your PC, just by visiting legal **** websites though?

You may have a link to the URL in your IE history, but possessing images means you have actually downloaded them, or am I being naive?
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Old 02 April 2008, 02:43 PM
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What's so funny?
Old 02 April 2008, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
What's so funny?
Not funny, but you are being naive. Everything you look at (even if you don't actually 'see' it but it is on the page somewhere) will be cached on your hard drive.

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Old 02 April 2008, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
Surely you don't get indecent images of children on your PC, just by visiting legal **** websites though?

You may have a link to the URL in your IE history, but possessing images means you have actually downloaded them, or am I being naive?
No, you're not being naive. To accidentally visit a site would show up in you history/cookies folders.
Quite a different matter having pictures on your hard drive. Right clicking - save picture, is quite a different matter.

The Police would know the difference.
Old 02 April 2008, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
No, you're not being naive. To accidentally visit a site would show up in you history/cookies folders.
Quite a different matter having pictures on your hard drive. Right clicking - save picture, is quite a different matter.

The Police would know the difference.
Yes. But it depends on the Police definition of 'found images'. Cached or 'deleted' from your hard drive is still an image that was at some stage viewed (theoretically).

The point being that finding indecent images is a catch-all crime it would appear. If you have lots of images delibrately saved in folders on your hard drive then that is different.

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Old 02 April 2008, 03:05 PM
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I'd be surprised if they included cached images as possessing child ****.

I doubt that would stand up in court.
Old 02 April 2008, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
I'd be surprised if they included cached images as possessing child ****.

I doubt that would stand up in court.
Agreed. You could visit a site accidently and it be cached to your history.

Its when you start typing in credit card details and downloading stuff that you are caught
Old 02 April 2008, 03:08 PM
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How can you 'look like a Pedo'

Bit of a broad statement really, I look like a thug but im not
Old 02 April 2008, 03:11 PM
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yes appearences can be deceptive - he looks like the hapless one out of 'lord of the flies'
Old 02 April 2008, 03:19 PM
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Can I change my mind, Pete agrees with me!!!

But seriously, they couldn't even prove you had viewed a picture that could be at the bottom of a page with loads of other pictures.
Old 02 April 2008, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
But seriously, they couldn't even prove you had viewed a picture that could be at the bottom of a page with loads of other pictures.
Sound like you're getting your excuses in early.




Old 02 April 2008, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
Can I change my mind, Pete agrees with me!!!

But seriously, they couldn't even prove you had viewed a picture that could be at the bottom of a page with loads of other pictures.

No, but there is a difference between being arrested for having pictures and then it either being dropped or thrown out in court.

I have no idea in this case but there are too many 'found indecent images' in the headlines and then hardly any follow-up (when the damage has been done).

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Old 02 April 2008, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Agreed. You could visit a site accidently and it be cached to your history.

Its when you start typing in credit card details and downloading stuff that you are caught

That's how they catch the idiots (like Pete Townshend) but every image you view is downloaded to you PC. It is nothing to do with right click and save as otherwise those sharing these images would simply put up a server somewhere and just look at it, never actually right clicking.

Go to any page with a lot of images, especially if the site is busy and explorer will have a info bar at the bottom which says something like "downloading image 3 of 65 ..."

viewing = downloading and no defence. Gary Glitter was caught when he went to PC World and they recovered the deleted files from his hard drive so it is no defence at all (quite rightly). Remember, a deleted file still exists. Your PC simply flags the space as an area it can over write but until it gets round to it the file is still there.

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well i admit i am in no way whatsoever an expert in pornography (child or otherwise)
but i can say honestly in my years of searching the net vor tons of stuff i have never seen a child **** image ever
I have no idea where you would stumble upon such stuff and I think it is dubious to offer this as a theory as to how such stuff arrives on a pc
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But that image would be tied to a URL and if that URL was on a legit site, I don't see how they can prosecute, if it was on a "dodgy" site then fair enough.

By the way, I'm not getting my defense in early!
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Aye, very doubtful you'd be done for that. Basically they'd get you because you were silly enough to put your credit card details in and the site was specifically offering child images or because you were part of a web share and a inspection of another PC led to you as a contact for that person so they knock on your door next.

If your uncle fester mate got busted and you ttried deleting your images they'd still be able to recover them and the evidence would say you were deliberately viewing them whether you pleaded not guilty or otherwise.

with so many out there though i suspect it is difficult to get yourself noticed by the cops. I suspect the numbers that get caught are actually very small compared to the number of pervs involved.

Just don't take your computer to PC World a la Glitter... another Paul suspiciously...

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Check out my IP address, it's actually registered to a Bangkok prison!
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but your mac number is not
a physical examination might send you and your pc to a bangkok prison
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
I'd be surprised if they included cached images as possessing child ****.

I doubt that would stand up in court.
If someone put drugs in your pocket without you knowing and the police caught you with them what do you think the outcome would be?



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