FAO Illegal Downloaders
22 February 2008, 08:00 PM
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Recently a certain selection of PC games have been monitored and ISP have been court ordered to supply IP info !!
Two Worlds being one of the main monitored games !!
I know this for a fact !
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Two Worlds being one of the main monitored games !!
I know this for a fact !
You have been warned
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23 February 2008, 02:17 AM
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23 February 2008, 08:04 AM
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best way to download stuff is to install proxyswitcher,google it.
it supplies a list of working proxy servers, even changes your internet settings at the click of the button,so you dont have to manually change your own ip,good stufff.
then,once using a proxy in brazil,the wolrds yoor oyster
it supplies a list of working proxy servers, even changes your internet settings at the click of the button,so you dont have to manually change your own ip,good stufff.
then,once using a proxy in brazil,the wolrds yoor oyster
23 February 2008, 08:28 AM
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23 February 2008, 10:09 AM
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This warning refers to the actual downloading of PC games. While you are downloading your torrents, apparently, they are being monitored.
I still don't know how they can bring any sort of action against torrent use. The very nature of torrents mean that no individual person downloads/uploads all of the file apart from the original seeder.
I still don't know how they can bring any sort of action against torrent use. The very nature of torrents mean that no individual person downloads/uploads all of the file apart from the original seeder.
23 February 2008, 10:18 AM
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We had a guy at work who recieved a solicitors letter saying he had downloaded a game, and wanted 300 quid settlement fee to avoid any further action
They claimed they had his IP Address and full details and categoric proof and they had paid the ISP a fee to get this information (50 quid I believe the figure was)
Anyhow he denied it, ignored the letter spoke to Telewest who assured him the solictitors letter was a fake and scam, but upon closer inpspection and further investigation it was actually true and a legitimate legal action
Telewest had indeed gave his information out to the solicitors of the game manfacturer, and the guy at work had indeed downloaded the game illegally, so in the end he paid the 300 quid
The game he had downloaded was so long ago that he didnt remember it, I think the time frame was about 8-10 months
They claimed they had his IP Address and full details and categoric proof and they had paid the ISP a fee to get this information (50 quid I believe the figure was)
Anyhow he denied it, ignored the letter spoke to Telewest who assured him the solictitors letter was a fake and scam, but upon closer inpspection and further investigation it was actually true and a legitimate legal action
Telewest had indeed gave his information out to the solicitors of the game manfacturer, and the guy at work had indeed downloaded the game illegally, so in the end he paid the 300 quid
The game he had downloaded was so long ago that he didnt remember it, I think the time frame was about 8-10 months
23 February 2008, 11:24 AM
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We had a guy at work who recieved a solicitors letter saying he had downloaded a game, and wanted 300 quid settlement fee to avoid any further action
They claimed they had his IP Address and full details and categoric proof and they had paid the ISP a fee to get this information (50 quid I believe the figure was)
Anyhow he denied it, ignored the letter spoke to Telewest who assured him the solictitors letter was a fake and scam, but upon closer inpspection and further investigation it was actually true and a legitimate legal action
Telewest had indeed gave his information out to the solicitors of the game manfacturer, and the guy at work had indeed downloaded the game illegally, so in the end he paid the 300 quid
The game he had downloaded was so long ago that he didnt remember it, I think the time frame was about 8-10 months
They claimed they had his IP Address and full details and categoric proof and they had paid the ISP a fee to get this information (50 quid I believe the figure was)
Anyhow he denied it, ignored the letter spoke to Telewest who assured him the solictitors letter was a fake and scam, but upon closer inpspection and further investigation it was actually true and a legitimate legal action
Telewest had indeed gave his information out to the solicitors of the game manfacturer, and the guy at work had indeed downloaded the game illegally, so in the end he paid the 300 quid
The game he had downloaded was so long ago that he didnt remember it, I think the time frame was about 8-10 months
23 February 2008, 11:32 AM
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So they cannot legally stop sites like utorrent emule etc from spreading the files - so now they are targetting private individuals as we are the soft target.
Just goes to show how far those greedy *******s are prepared to go to save themselves a few pounds.
It'd be interested to see how would they go about enforcing that. They say i downloaded a game - i say i didnt. Its not too hard to delete the evidence. Can they they be 100% sure that it was me just by looking at ISP's records? And most importantly would their evidence hold up in court?
Just goes to show how far those greedy *******s are prepared to go to save themselves a few pounds.
It'd be interested to see how would they go about enforcing that. They say i downloaded a game - i say i didnt. Its not too hard to delete the evidence. Can they they be 100% sure that it was me just by looking at ISP's records? And most importantly would their evidence hold up in court?
sorry mate but that's not true. A court order is required for an ISP to supply contact information for any customer. The fines placed on them for breaking DPA would be massive, it would be front page news !!
23 February 2008, 11:43 AM
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So they cannot legally stop sites like utorrent emule etc from spreading the files - so now they are targetting private individuals as we are the soft target.
Just goes to show how far those greedy *******s are prepared to go to save themselves a few pounds.
It'd be interested to see how would they go about enforcing that. They say i downloaded a game - i say i didnt. Its not too hard to delete the evidence. Can they they be 100% sure that it was me just by looking at ISP's records? And most importantly would their evidence hold up in court?
Just goes to show how far those greedy *******s are prepared to go to save themselves a few pounds.
It'd be interested to see how would they go about enforcing that. They say i downloaded a game - i say i didnt. Its not too hard to delete the evidence. Can they they be 100% sure that it was me just by looking at ISP's records? And most importantly would their evidence hold up in court?
When you connect to a torrent you're IP (at the moment) is clearly seen and all ISPs keep a log of who has used which IP.
I guess they wait for you to seed an entire program before they move.. but they can record it and unless you're going to hirer a fantastic Solicitor your screwed.
23 February 2008, 11:44 AM
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This warning refers to the actual downloading of PC games. While you are downloading your torrents, apparently, they are being monitored.
I still don't know how they can bring any sort of action against torrent use. The very nature of torrents mean that no individual person downloads/uploads all of the file apart from the original seeder.
I still don't know how they can bring any sort of action against torrent use. The very nature of torrents mean that no individual person downloads/uploads all of the file apart from the original seeder.
Also even if you upload 1mb of a 6gb game technically that 1mb is still covered by copyright !!
23 February 2008, 11:45 AM
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So they cannot legally stop sites like utorrent emule etc from spreading the files - so now they are targetting private individuals as we are the soft target.
Just goes to show how far those greedy *******s are prepared to go to save themselves a few pounds.
It'd be interested to see how would they go about enforcing that. They say i downloaded a game - i say i didnt. Its not too hard to delete the evidence. Can they they be 100% sure that it was me just by looking at ISP's records? And most importantly would their evidence hold up in court?
Just goes to show how far those greedy *******s are prepared to go to save themselves a few pounds.
It'd be interested to see how would they go about enforcing that. They say i downloaded a game - i say i didnt. Its not too hard to delete the evidence. Can they they be 100% sure that it was me just by looking at ISP's records? And most importantly would their evidence hold up in court?
I would be interested to see how they intend to prove beyond reasonable doubt who it actually was that used the internet connection.
23 February 2008, 11:48 AM
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There have been some cases go to court in other countries. Most appear to be "sham" trials to be honest. They use the biggest legal guns against some poor end user. I think they have mostly won.
I would be interested to see how they intend to prove beyond reasonable doubt who it actually was that used the internet connection.
I would be interested to see how they intend to prove beyond reasonable doubt who it actually was that used the internet connection.
23 February 2008, 12:36 PM
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23 February 2008, 12:57 PM
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This is going to become a big issue over the next few months: BBC NEWS | Technology | ISPs could face piracy sanctions The UK and France are leading the way on this issue.
I don't really understand why they're bothering as it's a certainty that a way round whatever solution they come up with will be found within hours. Besides, it's not exactly in the ISP's interests to stop illegal downloading is it? Who'd bother paying for their fastest packages if all anyone's allowed to do is browse the net..?
I don't really understand why they're bothering as it's a certainty that a way round whatever solution they come up with will be found within hours. Besides, it's not exactly in the ISP's interests to stop illegal downloading is it? Who'd bother paying for their fastest packages if all anyone's allowed to do is browse the net..?
23 February 2008, 01:35 PM
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Telewest originally said it was a scam. later they had admitted they had recieved the relevant legal papers for the request for information and passed it over
So it is indeed true
23 February 2008, 01:43 PM
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Im sorry but it is true, I have read the 14 page Solicitors letter going into detail the users IP address etc etc
Telewest originally said it was a scam. later they had admitted they had recieved the relevant legal papers for the request for information and passed it over
So it is indeed true
Telewest originally said it was a scam. later they had admitted they had recieved the relevant legal papers for the request for information and passed it over
So it is indeed true
Your first post made it sound like for £50 you can buy peoples information.
If a court order was given, then Telewest have the right to charge an admin cost.
23 February 2008, 02:06 PM
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I didnt change what I said, the orginal solicitors letter stated that they had indeed paid a 50 quid fee for the information
Whether this was a court order cost or an admin fee charged by Telewest is something that wasn't made clear in the original solicitors letter
We charged the Police a hell of a lot more than that (500 quid I think we charged them) for supplying information on one of our customers who either got shot in the face or shot someone in the face
Whether this was a court order cost or an admin fee charged by Telewest is something that wasn't made clear in the original solicitors letter
We charged the Police a hell of a lot more than that (500 quid I think we charged them) for supplying information on one of our customers who either got shot in the face or shot someone in the face