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Old 14 February 2008, 06:39 PM
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Default 6 windows smashed

causing £120,000 worth of damage?

What sort of windows are these?

BBC NEWS | England | London | Lawrence family 'hurt' by attack
Old 14 February 2008, 06:45 PM
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Ones that cost 20 grand each?
Old 14 February 2008, 06:46 PM
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A disgrace, both the attack and price of damage!!!!
Old 14 February 2008, 06:49 PM
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What difference does the price make?
Old 14 February 2008, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
What difference does the price make?
Imagine what they could of done with the money for charity
Old 14 February 2008, 07:11 PM
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News is now reporting 15k a piece.

Clearly not shatterproof..... which is suprising for 15k a pop.
Pretty patterned ones in answer to the question though.
Old 14 February 2008, 07:39 PM
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Dont agree with the way their calling it "racially motivated" damage.

Vandalism fair enough but no need for the race card.
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15k a window and its not shatterproof

Lets hope they are replaced with something more resilient. I know people should not have to choose things that are more or less vandal proof, but this is the world we live in. Not to mention now that it has been reported it will only be even more of a target. £120k damage is a nice boast for whoever did it
Old 14 February 2008, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
What difference does the price make?
Not sure what your insinuating?

I'm amazed that 6 windows in a memorial centre could cost £120,000.
Old 14 February 2008, 07:46 PM
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youths smash windows up and down the country every day of the week yet this is headline news
Old 14 February 2008, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FlightMan
Not sure what your insinuating?
I'm sure you are.
Old 14 February 2008, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
I'm sure you are.
Get a life.
Old 14 February 2008, 11:08 PM
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Whatever the motivation this whole centre takes the pis$ - was it paid for by the taxpayer?

Imagine if a white guy had been killed by a load of blacks - would their be a memorial for that? Course not - it would be considered racist to even think it.

Also hate the way this guy is now being seen as some poor angel now he's dead. Pics of him show him with cannabis leaf caps on - potentially a drug dealer or gang member FFS.
Old 14 February 2008, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Whatever the motivation this whole centre takes the pis$ - was it paid for by the taxpayer?

Imagine if a white guy had been killed by a load of blacks - would their be a memorial for that? Course not - it would be considered racist to even think it.

Also hate the way this guy is now being seen as some poor angel now he's dead. Pics of him show him with cannabis leaf caps on - potentially a drug dealer or gang member FFS.


He was an A level student who was killed by a bunch of racist chavs. Chavs were never brought to justice.

BBC NEWS | UK | Q&A: Stephen Lawrence murder
The inquiry into the failure of the original police investigation to find and convict Stephen's killers, headed by Sir William MacPherson and which reported in 1999, became one of the most important moments in the modern history of criminal justice in Britain.
Famously concluding that the force was "institutionally racist", it made 70 recommendations and had an enormous impact on the race relations debate - from criminal justice through to all public authorities.
Old 14 February 2008, 11:46 PM
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That figure of £120K wouldn't just be for the window glass alone, it would also cover the cost of what the broken glass damaged.
Old 14 February 2008, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Same thing I thought when I read it. I also used to see the bus shelters on the A$ near Hammersmith getting new glass about once a week 'cos some low-life has smashed them. What's wrong with, as you say, more reiliant glass? Or, if they keep getting broken, no glass?? It's not rocket science.

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I sh*t you not. they're not allowed to put perspex or smash proof glass in bus stops in case the bricks bounce back and tw@t the chav in the face
Old 14 February 2008, 11:52 PM
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Tam I like you, but have to say that's a little harsh. 'Monuments' are rarely constructed in memory to any victims of crime like this. However, one has been and if for one second we can get away from the colour of skin here, it is a terrible act to have been committed.

I don't know whether this was racially motivated, but because this wasn't the first time the building had been targeted, the chances are it's more complex than just mindless vandilism.

Get away from race issues and just look at it in the sense a memorial for someone taken away by scum has been attacked, and I would hope you and others feel this is well out of order.
Old 14 February 2008, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh


He was an A level student who was killed by a bunch of racist chavs. Chavs were never brought to justice.

BBC NEWS | UK | Q&A: Stephen Lawrence murder
The inquiry into the failure of the original police investigation to find and convict Stephen's killers, headed by Sir William MacPherson and which reported in 1999, became one of the most important moments in the modern history of criminal justice in Britain.
Famously concluding that the force was "institutionally racist", it made 70 recommendations and had an enormous impact on the race relations debate - from criminal justice through to all public authorities.
You miss my point completely suresh. You are basing everything on what you'd read in the media - they've made him out to be a little angel, and his killers have been demonised as "racist chavs" as you put it.
Old 14 February 2008, 11:53 PM
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BTW Tam. just noticed the infraction, that wasn't me, just felt I needed to put my view across.
Old 14 February 2008, 11:57 PM
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The infractaneers are busy I see Maybe a white persons life is worth less in their opinion, or is it the infracters are a bunch of spineless whiners.

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Old 15 February 2008, 12:15 AM
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I have no power to infract, so please take the following as my views on concerning post with racist words (used not in humour, but with hatred caused by anguish)

Do you have a charitable trust like Stephen Lawrence Charity Trust (that helped the construction and the running of the centre) in Glasgow, Tam? If not, how about some aware and anguished people like you getting together and establishing one? In memory of that white kid, in order to develop white youths like him that may like to become architects, top scholars etc. By doing so, they may add substantially to the British economy and pride?

White or black, it was extremely unfortunate that both youths were victims of racially motivated crimes. But the way you have expressed your views in your post hardly help IMO. Instead, they cause more injury to race relations.
Old 15 February 2008, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
You miss my point completely suresh. You are basing everything on what you'd read in the media - they've made him out to be a little angel, and his killers have been demonised as "racist chavs" as you put it.
Hold on Pete, where do you get your info from if not from the press? Where did you see the photo that you have chosen to use in order to incriminate the innocent victim of a murder?

Have you completely forgotten the details of this case, or just chosen to forget?

I just get the feeling that were Stephen Lawrence a white guy your tune would be different somehow? Perhaps complaining that all Muslims are terrorists or something? A shame that.

Not as bad as some of the other comments on this thread though, which are disgraceful and worthy of a permanant ban IMO.

Asif
Old 15 February 2008, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Hold on Pete, where do you get your info from if not from the press? Where did you see the photo that you have chosen to use in order to incriminate the innocent victim of a murder?

Have you completely forgotten the details of this case, or just chosen to forget?

I just get the feeling that were Stephen Lawrence a white guy your tune would be different somehow? Perhaps complaining that all Muslims are terrorists or something? A shame that.

Not as bad as some of the other comments on this thread though, which are disgraceful and worthy of a permanant ban IMO.

Asif
In my mind, a probably decent lad was killed, a memorial was put up in his honour, and it was vandalised. People need to get away from the race part and accept this is terrible regardless (not getting at you, it's some of the others that bother me).

How would people feel if a headstone of a loved one was vandalised?(for example).
Old 15 February 2008, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
In my mind, a probably decent lad was killed, a memorial was put up in his honour, and it was vandalised. People need to get away from the race part and accept this is terrible regardless (not getting at you, it's some of the others that bother me).

How would people feel if a headstone of a loved one was vandalised?(for example).
I totally agree Lisa.

And Pete, it does say that it was paid for by a charity.

Asif
Old 15 February 2008, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
I have no power to infract,

Yes you do TH

As for the cost? Well, that's London prices for you
Old 15 February 2008, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Shark Man
Yes you do TH
Do I???
Yes, I have just seen that I am even over-qualified with my post count!

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Old 15 February 2008, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
BTW Tam. just noticed the infraction, that wasn't me, just felt I needed to put my view across.
No probs Lisa I can guess who gave me the infraction, even if it was justified, She likes to infract me at any opportunity given
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Although your comments were so well out of order that you deleted them, or they got deleted by superpowers?
Whoever that was , that infractor was quite right this time.
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Steven's murder was a tragedy.

It is likely racially motivated by the accounts of the 'likely suspects'

as for the windows, a little common sense should have been used here, putting in such expensive glass into his memorial was short sighted and irresponsible. Anybody with any common would have thoughbt about the likelyhood of vandals and attacks and used smaller panes/different glass/better protection for the glass.


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