Do you think he deserved to be banged up?
11 February 2008, 08:50 PM
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Do you think he deserved to be banged up?
Just out of interest I thought I'd ask sn'ers their opinion on this BBC NEWS | Scotland | Glasgow, Lanarkshire and West | Motorist ran down knife attacker
11 February 2008, 08:59 PM
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Yeah, he go caught. Seriously, judges etc sitting in ivory towers with no notion of how they would respond themselves. Due to the fact that most likely they will never run into (pardon the pun) scum like this. This is why a balaclava should be in everyones wardrobe.
11 February 2008, 09:10 PM
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I think that in this case it's a bit different to how it's portrayed... as if you read the article carefully it seems that, initially, the 22yr old ne'er-do-well pulled out a baton and a knife and smashed one of the guys people-carrier windows.
At some later point (and it's not clear whether this was seconds or minutes, or even longer), whilst this 22yr old window smasher was 'stood in bushes' (again, not clear if he was hiding or quite what legit reason he had for standing in a bush) the agrieved bloke decided to drive his car at him, having to mount the pavement in order to do so.
Now, that's not quite a "I did it in self defence, for fear of my life at the time, Your Honour... " defence really is it??? Premeditated revenge attack...
If he had indeed driven the car at the guy whilst he was in the process of smashing his windows, ranting, raving, knife waving etc, - and in order to get away from the situation slapped the car in gear and happened to run him down then that's fair enough - the guy deserved everything he got.... but it's not like that.
So - yeah, premeditated revenge attack - and he deserved to be locked up.
At some later point (and it's not clear whether this was seconds or minutes, or even longer), whilst this 22yr old window smasher was 'stood in bushes' (again, not clear if he was hiding or quite what legit reason he had for standing in a bush) the agrieved bloke decided to drive his car at him, having to mount the pavement in order to do so.
Now, that's not quite a "I did it in self defence, for fear of my life at the time, Your Honour... " defence really is it??? Premeditated revenge attack...
If he had indeed driven the car at the guy whilst he was in the process of smashing his windows, ranting, raving, knife waving etc, - and in order to get away from the situation slapped the car in gear and happened to run him down then that's fair enough - the guy deserved everything he got.... but it's not like that.
So - yeah, premeditated revenge attack - and he deserved to be locked up.
11 February 2008, 09:59 PM
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Personally, even if it was slightly after the event - it sounds like the ****** with the knife got what was coming to him.
I hope he did some permanent and serious damage to him.
I hope he did some permanent and serious damage to him.
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11 February 2008, 10:21 PM
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Personally, I think a Copper should have given the ****** a swift kick in the nuts and had a quiet word along the lines of "shut the hell up and stop whinging".
11 February 2008, 10:33 PM
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Hope it really, really hurt the ******!
You have to have self respect and letting off a ****** or having to worry about what they might get up to next time is too much for some people.... Obviously
Maybe we should have a Scoobynet collection to buy him some bull bars for his people carrier. So's he doesn't spoil the paintwork if he does it again.
J.
You have to have self respect and letting off a ****** or having to worry about what they might get up to next time is too much for some people.... Obviously
Maybe we should have a Scoobynet collection to buy him some bull bars for his people carrier. So's he doesn't spoil the paintwork if he does it again.
J.
11 February 2008, 10:35 PM
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In my opinion, as soon as you step outside of the law you should not be protected, and likewise if somebody goes outside of the law to put your life in danger you should be protected by it.
It really is a shame he did not kill the person, well done for taking a stand I say. I hope the judge gets assaulted with a knife and baton now so she can see what it feels like.
Incidentally, did the aggressor get any charges brought upon him for wielding a knife and baton?
It really is a shame he did not kill the person, well done for taking a stand I say. I hope the judge gets assaulted with a knife and baton now so she can see what it feels like.
Incidentally, did the aggressor get any charges brought upon him for wielding a knife and baton?
world we live in today. If the "yoof" had knifed him would he have gone to Jail 
12 February 2008, 06:23 AM
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'Passing sentence, judge Lady Smith told Armstrong she had no alternative but to impose a custodial sentence and said she would have sentenced him to five years, but for his guilty plea.
She added: "There seems no doubt he presented weapons at you and he deliberately broke a window in your van. You were entitled to be angry. You were entitled to be affronted. But you were not entitled to respond by wielding your vehicle as a weapon at him in the way you did." '
WTF, these Judges are soo out of touch.
I'd do the same, so better lock me up now. The only difference is I'd do the job properly and then hide the evidence
She added: "There seems no doubt he presented weapons at you and he deliberately broke a window in your van. You were entitled to be angry. You were entitled to be affronted. But you were not entitled to respond by wielding your vehicle as a weapon at him in the way you did." '
WTF, these Judges are soo out of touch.
I'd do the same, so better lock me up now. The only difference is I'd do the job properly and then hide the evidence
12 February 2008, 07:35 AM
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whether this is a perception or not it does appear that low lifes do have the law on thier side. if you go out to commit crime then you loose your rights.
12 February 2008, 08:49 AM
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thats not perception...its called the law, you could always move to India or something?
this scum bag broke the guys window...NO danger to the bloke - he responded, out of vengeance, by attempting to kill the bloke.
anyone her who says "i'd do the same" is either retarded, a keyboard ninja or has no family that would be bothered that their dad/spouse is in prison.
12 February 2008, 09:08 AM
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thats not perception...its called the law, you could always move to India or something?
this scum bag broke the guys window...NO danger to the bloke - he responded, out of vengeance, by attempting to kill the bloke.
anyone her who says "i'd do the same" is either retarded, a keyboard ninja or has no family that would be bothered that their dad/spouse is in prison.
this scum bag broke the guys window...NO danger to the bloke - he responded, out of vengeance, by attempting to kill the bloke.
anyone her who says "i'd do the same" is either retarded, a keyboard ninja or has no family that would be bothered that their dad/spouse is in prison.
Yes in this case i think the bloke overreacted, not too sure he deserved jail for his actions though.
some might think that calling people who do not agree with you retarded is also tantamount to being a keyboard warrior/ninja, it it easy to say when hidden away behind a screen
12 February 2008, 09:16 AM
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Seems the *lad* was a little embarrassed ... " .. He explained the situation to the father of one of the boys who told him he would take care of it. The boy, under his parent's supervision, began painting over the graffiti ... "
The guy shouldn't have gone to prison. Maybe suspended but this little ****** deserves all he got ...
Dave
The guy shouldn't have gone to prison. Maybe suspended but this little ****** deserves all he got ...
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12 February 2008, 09:17 AM
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"You were entitled to be angry. You were entitled to be affronted. But you were not entitled to respond by wielding your vehicle as a weapon at him in the way you did."
Yet he should have let the youth smash his face in rather than running him down.
Same as if you catch someone invading your home. You are to be Burgled, stabbed, kicked to death but fight back and you will go to jail.
Sounds to me the little B*stard had it coming to him. Far too often the law protects those who cause distress to people and communities.
Yet he should have let the youth smash his face in rather than running him down.
Same as if you catch someone invading your home. You are to be Burgled, stabbed, kicked to death but fight back and you will go to jail.
Sounds to me the little B*stard had it coming to him. Far too often the law protects those who cause distress to people and communities.
12 February 2008, 09:24 AM
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12 February 2008, 09:34 AM
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Peter
I believe that normal everyday people who go to work, pay their taxes, provide for their families are getting to the point that they have had enough of their lives being made harder or in some cases unbearable.
what they see is out of control people doing what they want. They do not see the problems being tackled or prevented.
The number of cases like Gary Newloves are on the increase, the Firefighter thread another examples, etc., etc.
Eventually these people get to breaking point and then take actions into their own hands.
What then happens is the full force of the law is then used against them.
It just does not seem fair, then number of repeat/serial offenders who just get away with commiunity orders or daft punishments seems wrong.
People blame cheap booze and the problem, it does not help but it is more fundimental that that, other countries have cheap booze and it is legal for kids to buy it in some cases, it is that kids in the UK choose to and want to do it.
You can say all you want peter but i think you will find that this is the case.
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Peter
I believe that normal everyday peolole who go to work, pay thier taxes, provide for theor families are getting to the point that they have had enough of thier lives being made harder or in some cases unbearable.
what they see is out of controil people doing what they want. They do not see the problems bbeing tackled or prevented.
The number of cases like Gary Newloves are on the increase, the Firefighter thread another examples, etc., etc.
Eventually these people get to breaking point and then take actions into their own hands.
What then happens is the full force of the law is then used agianst them.
It just does not seem fair, then number of repeat/serial offenders who just get away with commiunity orders or daft punishments seems wrong.
You can say all you want peter but i think you will find that this is the case.
I believe that normal everyday peolole who go to work, pay thier taxes, provide for theor families are getting to the point that they have had enough of thier lives being made harder or in some cases unbearable.
what they see is out of controil people doing what they want. They do not see the problems bbeing tackled or prevented.
The number of cases like Gary Newloves are on the increase, the Firefighter thread another examples, etc., etc.
Eventually these people get to breaking point and then take actions into their own hands.
What then happens is the full force of the law is then used agianst them.
It just does not seem fair, then number of repeat/serial offenders who just get away with commiunity orders or daft punishments seems wrong.
You can say all you want peter but i think you will find that this is the case.