Diesel

One for the townies - I'll keep it brief as its very boring

Basically missus got a £50 ticket in going to her mates house to get the visitor parking voucher she'd made sure to have ready for her visit.

She was gone under 5 mins, but there was a ticket on the car when she got back to stick on the scratched and completed voucher.

Been Googling and there is a provision for 'reasonable time' here http://www.parkingandtrafficappeals....mForest%20.pdf
so I hope I can get them to kill this ticket when I write. Its absurdly unfair.

Any knowledge/precedents here? It's Newham council - hope they are lovely reasonable people

Cheers

D

CooperS

PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice

If it's a private parking company, just throw it in the bin, it's merely an invoice and "unenforceable"

Hope this helps
Andy

edit. see it's not private company, but the website is very very helpful

Diesel

Cheers - just need to see the rules suggesting 'reasonable time' in this voucher context really; I'll try the Pepsters. D

RichardS2005

I'm pretty sure the traffic warden has to stand for 5 minutes by the car before writing a ticket - think I saw it on one of those undercover TV shows

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Depends on the area. Some are meant to, some are not. If its writing a ticket, then it is up to the warden if they obey this. If its a computer terminal thing then some have this timer built in so that a warden "cannot" issue quicker.

I say "cannot", as some speculatively enter registrations of target vehicles from a great distance. Then when they actually get to the car the 5 mins is up and the ticket is immediately issued. If you complain, they then hide behind the fact that their equipment makes them stand there for 5 mins before it allows them to issue to make you look even more guilty.

Humans are a nice species aren't we?

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Oh, in answer to the OP, appeal.

By advised that the first appeal that is heard is heard by the council themselves. So you are basically asking the council to overturn the decision made by a council employed operative that profits the council.

Should the appeal not be successful then the issue is heard in court in front of an impartial judge. I'll let you guess which is likely to be the most successful.

Fight it if you think you are in the right, then complain to the media if you win. Nothing like making a council look petty, does them no end of favours come election time

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Appeal you have nothing to lose Before Christmas I forked out £1.80 for a ticket only the machine printed out a blank ticket. I put the ticket and a note explaining in the window, yet the parking **** still took glee in issuing a fixed penalty and pointing at the "valid parking ticket" part of the sign


quick trip to the council ranting like a mad un and sorted

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

I also claimed one from Edinburgh council. Had to submit the evidence to them but they overturned it "on this occasion"

Ye gets nothing if ye don't ask!

5t.

Diesel

Cheers - worth a letter mentioning allowing reasonable time and giiving the voucher purchase receipt number. Common sense then dicates the voucher would be used - after all we know they pounce quickly, but not this bl00dy quickly. I expect I'll get stiffed though - power corrupts, then add cash to the mix

Klaatu

Slightly different I know, but I've just been stung for "speeding" in a school zone (Australia). $636 fine plus 8 points on my license. Normally the highway is rated at 60kph, but during school days, it's rated at 40kph at certain times. The only problem is, there is no way the motorist can tell, while driving, if it is actually a school day, only that the zone is there and the times it applies.

gazza-uk

is it council or private?

if private - just ingnore it.

Jamo

iTrader: (23)

council ones are meant to stand with the car for 10 mins then take digital photographs

KiwiGTI

Like **** they do. They are there and gone within a minute.

Jamo

iTrader: (23)

I did say they are *meant* to

MattW

Make sure you pay it though and claim it back later.

Abdabz

I often wonder what's going through the heads of these people who "were only there for a minute" etc.
Do they know they're taking a gamble by not paying on a P&D or by parking on the yellow line(s) or not?

If they know theyre taking that gamble, then whether they're there for 30 seconds or an hour they have to take the fine that may follow on the chin.

There cant be so much as a squirm to avoid it because as the door was locked and they walked away they knew it was a naughty no no.

On the flip side, there are the ones who genuinely didnt know they were parking illegally. But then, that isnt a flip side either, because whether they knew or not, they are still parked illegally and have to pay the fine too.

Then there are the ones who DO pay the P&D but when the time runs out turn up 3 mins late and moan about getting a ticket...


... The ONLY parking tickets that should ever be challenged are where the car is parked legally and has still received a ticket... Some wardens try this on and photographs etc will see that ticket thrown out... If this is what happened then I wish you luck
HTH

David Lock

If my Mrs says she called in to see a friend for "just 5 mins" what she actually means is completely different.

She had a 10 min catch-up on the latest gossip, a bite to eat, a trip to the loo and gave some advice on the sick cat before before rushing off saying "must dash - I'm parked on a yellow" dl

Diesel

You sound less reasonable than cowboy clampers mate. I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier link - the judge was far more reasonable than you! Ever though of a career in local government? Lets make it hell for them out there

D

Abdabz

Sorry fella - I dont mean to come over all ar$ey but I always think that way when folk get caught.

One motto I was brought up on which applied when I was going playing out was "Be careful and whatever you do, dont get caught"... The principle was simple - because I knew I would be for it if I was caught doing something bad... So I didnt do too many bad things and only got caught a few times, but I learned to accept that if you do anything naughty then you run the risk of getting caught, and be it a slapped behind as a child, or a parking / speeding ticket as an adult you have to deal with the consequences, not run off to mummy or pepipoo if you feel hard done by.

Diesel

There's a lot in what you say, but I think this people trying to wriggle out is quite a recent thing, and often prompted by the sledgehammer cash driven approach.

It wouldnt be a decent society without the rules (if I had a parking ticket machine I'd have issued 4 yesterday to twits parked on the pavement), but once in a while they can be out of order. I paid my last parking ticket without a quibble for being a muppet

D

scoob_babe

The ones around here take ages writing the tickets, looking around and then take photos of the car. I've never had a problem with them as I park on our drive but the council did get shirty with new neighbours just moving in - how can you have a utility bill for a property you moved into that day for a parking permit . We gave them some of our visitor passes and they gave us replacements when they were deemed resident.

Five minutes does seem a bit excessive in time to get voucher and back out to car again though - I generally have the voucher almost ready by the door ready for the visitor to knock and get it straight out there.

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Which planet are you from? The moment you pay is the moment you admit the offence and lose ANY right to appeal.

The correct procedure is to respond to the ticket within the time limit setting out your intention to appeal. The time at which you respond sets the amount of the fine should you lose. Respond quickly and you have the right to appeal with the full discounted rate of the ticket should you end up losing (if you go to court and lose you may have to pay some costs..take advice before you do that if you are worried).

Abdabz

Nice one Diesel. it's probably why sometimes when people appear to be trying to wriggle in threads on here I can come across as a holier than thou bastad. It's not really what I am trying to achieve... I speed and sometimes park like a wazzock. Today I threw it onto double yellows to nip into a corner shop... I was only in there 3 mins, but had I have been ticketed, I would have cursed my luck and sent off the cheque tomorrow morning. No quibble.

Wriggling is endemic in this society - all part of the "not my fault" logic which is at the heart of societies problems today... It's that "always someone elses fault" ethos that I think is systemic of bad parenting which is the root of so many other problems in society...

Like you say, once in a while they can be out of order, and those issues should be challenged.

P

Diesel

Yeah agree mate. There used to be the 'its a fair cop' thing said by those chancing their luck or being had 'bang to rights'. Hearing it less and less these days...even on Eastenders

D

Diesel

Sounds like you are a 'townie' SB? Used to these things? Know exactly what to do and how to evade persecution? Well we are not, sorry - jus' simple country folke that had already arranged to get the 'voucher' thingy

Consider a 40" walk to the house, 25" to open the door, a not outrageous 50" to say 'lovely to see you babe, now lets get the vouchers out", what do we have to do, where's the pen, check the rules again; have we done it right, good, back out to the car... under 5 mins doesnt seem to be the dregs of society taking the pii type stuff does it? Esp when all the luggage is still in the car, and no Disklocks etc are applied etc?

I'm gonna leave this now as it is starting to look petty over a petty thing. It would however be great if motorists could stick together a little more in the face of the fact that the authorities think that we all all dodgy/slippery characters out to 'do' them out of their filthy lucre. God knows ordinary decent citizens get treated with contempt, disdain clobbered and milked for all we are worth as much as is possible already.

Letter has gone off (specifying voucher No, receipt No, time and date and place of purchase); I'll post what the outcome was (and the letter) whatever the result. Would you ever turn down a freebie £50 though

D

Diesel

And the answer was.....no way....I must have been barking to even try! They stated the attendant left exactly 5 mins from seeing the car to putting ticket on. You cant argue with these professionals' scientific precision

D

Baby Scuff

Pay the fine and claim it back off the council in petty theft and vandilism, how much would it cost to remove a 4ft high drawing of a ***** from a bus stop?

dpb

5 minutes to get parkin voucher / visitor as far as i know - brighton area

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

Sorry to be a country bumpkin.. but visitors vouchers? Do you live in a prison or something?

dpb

Thats correct only the 'privileged ' are allowed visiting rights