corradoboy

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Classic-Cars/

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"Several EU proposals across the years are dangerous to the classic car movement. One that has been under consideration is to ban the use of cars older than 10 years. Similarly, Edinburgh City Council is considering the banning of cars over 15 years old from the town centre. These, and similar, proposals directly threaten the classic car movement, and encourage the manufacture of new cars, with the attendent environmental issues of sourcing raw materials, manufacturing, distriuting and scrapping the spiralling supply of new vehicles."

Ringpeas

I can't see that ever coming to law.

What is the reason for a 10 year cut off? fuel efficiency? emmisions?

About a 3rd of the cars in my town would have to be scrapped, and who would bother to maintain a nine year old car?

Nope, it won't happen.

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

Utterly stupid idea (another one... ).

So, going by the past record of the EU, it'll get passed without any murmur of argument from our wonderful Government.

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Not to mention the effect it'll have on the economy. Introduce such a rule and immediately:

- those who cannot afford a newer car, instantly find themselves unable to travel - and therefore, in many cases, unable to work;
- the value of every single car on the road plummets by an amount directly proportional to its age;
- the incentive to properly repair and maintain any vehicle more than, say, 7 years old disappears;
- manufacturers, meanwhile, suddenly feel enormous pressure to reduce costs. Demand shifts away from technically advanced, higher margin products towards the cheapest models, because nobody will pay a lot for a new car knowing the crushing depreciation they'll suffer. Result: disaster for the industry as well.

Nice one lads. Saving the planet, one tax at a time

Abdabz

Any links to this becoming law available without me having to research it? Sounds preposterous to me

StickyMicky

petitions online

BOB.T

Isn't this already the case in Japan or somewhere down that way?

CrisPDuk

Technically it isn't the case in Japan Bob, but practically it is because the cost of putting the Japanese equivalent of an MOT on anything older than 5 years is prohibitively expensive Doesn't stop them paying insane sums for '60s and '70s British sports cars though

I think us Brits have done wonders for resale values of their s/h cars though


BTW, If you've ever wondered what happens to all the lower grade stuff that doesn't get bought for shipping to Europe, just take a trip to Thailand or Malaysia

CrisPDuk

BTW, when I say that I own an '86 XR4x4, a '93 Legacy Turbo and a '78 Honda CB550K can you guess which side of this particular argument my opinion sits on

Suresh

I think they do it already in Singapore - or so a cab driver down there once told me!

Paul3446

That means in 3 years time it will be illegal to drive a classic Impreza!

I won't be signing this as there is absolutely no chance of it becoming law.

PeteBrant

Oh look it's another online petition started by some complete idiot who got his facts from The Sun.

PeteBrant

If I was in power, I would get a list of every single one of the people who signed this petition, along with the one that signed the red arrows and the mega mosque petitions, and send them a leaflet telling them how not voting for me would lead to them contracting small pox. Since the people the sign these things are complete cretins - And there seems to be an awful lot of them. I would stay in power forever.

Paul3446

The whole point of petitions in the past was that people only signed something that they felt very strongly about, now it's so easy for people just to sign everything online, that the danger is they will all just be ignored.

PeteBrant

I don't think the problem is that people are signing up to things they don't feel as strongly about - The problem is that people are signing up to complete rubbish without actually checking to see what they are putting thier name to. In that respect, they deserve everythign they get.


I mean if I offered someone a Mortgage at 0%, they would quite rightly check out all the small print before signing thier name. But if I tell that same person that the Government is going to ban two white families living next door to each other to promote integration, then idiots will sign it in thier thousands.

And what's even more bizarre, is that these people are normally pretty intelligent.

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

This government has been ignoring the electorate for 10 years.

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Indeed - maybe they should be taken out of service and crushed?

PeteBrant

Well, its hasn't really has it.

I mean it has been voted in 3 times, so they have received a clear mandate from the people for the last 10 years.

OllyK

Every time there were considerably more people that didn't vote for them than did, as a result I'd say it was a pretty clear mandate that the British public don't want Labour in power, it's just our f***ed up voting system that let's them in.

PeteBrant

Hey, if people can't be bothered to go in and vote, then you get what you deserve. Voter apathy means that regardless of what system you use, more people are not going to vote for you than do.

Fact remains that Labour have been democratically elected 3 times on the trot. If people were that bothered about how they were running the country, they would have been voted out.

DCI Gene Hunt

<<<<<< Voter/Politics/Religeous Apathy

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Well as i'm sure you are are aware as it has been pinted out a million times on scoobynet labour actually lost in England but thanks to the billions pumped oop north they clung on.

Down here in cornwall the people are shafted time and time again by these idiots in power.

richs2891

Do they want rid of cars over ten years old beacuse they dont fall into the nice and neat road tax based on emmsions rubbish that they use today.
Or because a lot (but not all) of cars over 10 years old are badly maintained ?
I'm more in favour of Japan idea where the MOT is more expensive and certain items have to be replaced to pass eg shock absorbers, brakes etc.
Richard

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

There are already loads of dodgy **** heaps on the road, and thats just the classic imprezas seriously though There are tens of thousands of cars already on our roads without mots, make it harder and there will be many more.

Brendan Hughes

I can see many reasons for taking old cars off the road, so in principle I agree with it. Safety designs, emissions tests, fuel efficiency, and simple mechanical fatigue. Also, and this is a big thing with politicians, it helps an economy if people keep buying new cars, keeps the car manufacturers in business. (Some may say that the spare parts makers go out of business - well, you tell me the employment / income / tax generation figures for each and let's decide).

However, there are plenty of exceptions for motorsport, classic cars, low mileage examples etc and these would need to be thought through. Off the top of my head I'd say a raised road tax sticker should be enough. Most people who own classic Ferraris or Mk 1 escorts could afford another few hundred quid a year for the privilege of owning them, whereas joe bloggs would hopefully say sod it, I might as well buy a newer car instead of running my Datsun Cherry.

DCI Gene Hunt

Isn't this already controlled here in the UK by having the MOT system? That's a way of ensuring old cars are maintained and roadworthy

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Yep. Then EVERY other EC country will ignore it, and the **** b@stards at Nu Labia will enforce it to the death

Alcazar

Dream Weaver

Funny how they always have the votes during the day, so the majority of us can't make it due to work comitments

I alwasy vote, but I imagine it would be difficult for most working folk. However, the unemployed have no problem voting the Labour shower in.

If they ever bring this 10 year thing in, it will just lead to Mad Max stylee - I'll just hide the 205 and bring it out at weekend uninsured etc.

Dream Weaver

I disagree with this for a few reasons:

1. Safety etc - yes modern cars are safer, but should we not have the choice of being wrapped in cotton wool or not? Buses and wagons cause more injury probably, get rid of them.
2. Emissions - my 205 has no more than our 06 Civic, it has no fatigue as all major parts have been renewed.
3. Keeping my 16 year old car going is the ultimate in auto recycling, and better for the planet (for those folk that believe in global warming).
4. I've spent a fortune on my old car, but I wouldn't be willing to pay extra for road tax.

I would imagine parts sales are more than car sales - dont car makers lose on some models?

What they should do is have some sort of roadworthy test to tell if a car is safe or not, not just base it on age - oh wait, that'll be the MOT then

NotoriousREV

I'm not signing up to this. I'm going to buy a 9 year old Ferrari for £500 off ebay, run it for 12 months and then crush it. Bring it on.