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Old 18 October 2007, 10:23 PM
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BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Bhutto convoy bombs kill dozens

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Old 18 October 2007, 10:28 PM
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im guessing someone doesnt like her
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Gotta love the Muslims
Old 18 October 2007, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
Gotta love the Muslims
She's a Muslim. Unfortunately for her, she's a female Muslim and so should be shunned and veiled.

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Old 18 October 2007, 11:27 PM
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I really don't like muslims at all based on a few. I'm racist clearly but I don't want to be... but I am. I pre-judge muslims based on the actions of those that do acts in their faith.. I must be small minded. Please infract me because I'm a muslim disliking person.
Old 18 October 2007, 11:33 PM
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Well if you become a bit anti-semitic as well, that should balance it out !
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Originally Posted by MJW
Well if you become a bit anti-semitic as well, that should balance it out !
I actually don't like any religions to be honest. In fact I dislike bible bashers most of all. I think they're all brainwashed idiots but hey if a book says you should do something you should do it right?!
Old 18 October 2007, 11:39 PM
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Whatever floats their boat ! As long as it doesn't involve maiming my loved ones or myself they could worship a third rate science fiction writer for all I give a sh*t !!
Old 19 October 2007, 08:28 AM
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I thought we had seen the back of these types of threads on SN to be honest.

It highlights two fundamental errors when dealing with Pakistani's/Muslims.

1) Take the absolute worst scumbags of society, in this case, extremists intent on killing innocent civilians for their political (not religoous) gains, then tar everyone with the same brush.

Try doing the same with the native UK population and see what you sound like.

2) That Muslims are anti-Semitic.

You will find that a lot of Muslims are themselves Semitic so that would be silly. More importantly you will find that anti Semitism is a white, European, Christian invention, practiced throughout the ages, probably something to do with the fact that the Jews had your prophet killed.

Try displaying some objectivity as opposed to your ignorance and we will all get along just fine.

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Old 19 October 2007, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
im guessing someone doesnt like her
She's a woman so thats probably about 80 percent of muslim men
Old 19 October 2007, 08:49 AM
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Evil act, killed in execess of 150 men women and children, the bomber(s) knew that is exactly what would happen as an estimated 1m people flocked to see her.

Having worked with several pakistani muslims in the UAE i found then good humoured, honest and sometimes hardworking always willing to help out and get stuck in.

Another horrific act by extremists who care little for others just their sick cause!
In their case when they die (and i hope sooner rather than later) i sincerly hope they end up in hell!!!

As for tolerance, the fact that Pakistan has had a female prime minister speaks volumes in itself!

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Old 19 October 2007, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
you'll have to forgive those that just 'tar all Muslims with the same brush'. It's a quite understandable reaction.
Not aimed at you at all Dave, but..

What sort of ***** would automatically assume that all muslims are potential bombers because a infintesimally small minority have carried out attacks?

It's like me assuming that all football supporters are hooligans because I saw a few of them have a fight.

I think you would have to have some form of mental disorder in order to think this way.

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Old 19 October 2007, 09:50 AM
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Thirty years ago,bomb goes off in London,who would you automatically assume had done it?

Current day.....bomb goes off,who would you assume had done it?

PS.I know you should never assume anything btw

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Old 19 October 2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lozgti
Thirty years ago,bomb goes off in London,who would you automatically assume had done it?

Current day.....bomb goes off,who would you assume had done it?
Of course, you would expect Muslim extremists. But doesn't mean that I suspect every muslim of being an extremeist, any more than I suspected every Irishman of being an IRA terrorist in the 80's.
Old 19 October 2007, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
the Jews had your prophet killed.
Actually he was considered to be more than a mere prophet.
Old 19 October 2007, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
All well said and I'm sure most people agree. BUT, and it's a big BUT, as most acts of blowing people up are carried out by Muslims these days where the UK is concerned you'll have to forgive those that just 'tar all Muslims with the same brush'. It's a quite understandable reaction.

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Don't encourage him. He only seems to post when a thread includes the words "Muslim".

Do I hate Muslims? Yes
Why? What other religion preaches peace and non-violence, then straps a bomb to themselves and kills people?
Do I hate the fact that Muslims come to this country and then want things there way and not the British way? Yes
Do I hate that the Muslims want there own law in Britain? Yes
Do I hate the fact that they always play the racist card when they don't get their own way? Yes
Am I racist? Maybe, maybe not.

At the end of the day there is a lot of discontent within the British population that Muslims can come to this country, get a free house, free money, want their own way, and in the case of Captain Hook, block off an entire road in London and preach to fellow Muslims at how bad the West is and they should help kill those people that pay Taxes to give them a free house. Not only that but freedom to do a hell of a lot more than they were every allowed to do in their own country.

Simple fact is. If you don't like the British people, British laws etc etc, F*ckoff back to where you came from. See if they give you free houses and money. Thought not.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This country needs a Hitler in charge for a while. Get rid of all the freeloaders.

I feel better after that.



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Old 19 October 2007, 09:59 AM
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It's sad that people feel the need to express their feelings by killing others. It's something I will never understand, I'm a great believer of not judging other cultures by our own standards but killing other people is not acceptable the world over...
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Originally Posted by stilover
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This country needs a Hitler in charge for a while.

And you're actually questioning whther you're a racist?
Old 19 October 2007, 10:04 AM
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stilover, take a trip to Auschwitz or Treblinka and please have a long hard think before suggesting this country would be better of under someone like Hitler.
Old 19 October 2007, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
stilover, take a trip to Auschwitz or Treblinka and please have a long hard think before suggesting this country would be better of under someone like Hitler.
If written 2 long replies to this. Both time they haven't posted

Third time lucky.

Short version.

I don't want anyone dead, just a government to say enough is enough. Stop the influx of immigrants entering Britain. Refused Asylum? Get them out. Don't ask them to leave, escort them. I'm sick of all these immigrants entering Britain and claiming free houses, money etc. The more that enter, the more Tax we pay.
The more that enter, the bigger their voice is. Unfortunatley our government is more concerned about insulating Muslims living here than they are about there own citizens
Old 19 October 2007, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
stilover, take a trip to Auschwitz or Treblinka and please have a long hard think before suggesting this country would be better of under someone like Hitler.
Another Hitler type has never been on the cards in the UK whilst there is still living memory of the real thing, although less so as time passes. I have seen a few programmes on concentration camps and i usually have to turn over when i see kids, mothers and babies being led into the gas chambers, thats as much as i can stomach.

Immigration and the mistrust which has occured over the last few years due to the poor handling by govenmnet has fuelled the far right and the likes of the BNP and given them ammunition and even in some cases votes and a positions on local councils. Usually in poorer, run down areas where immigrrants have settled, not intergrated and created their own communities which is understandable in some ways wanting to be with your own people but will never indear you to the locals. This should have been actively discouraged and real intergration and participation intro the communities and for those who do not want to then a swift return to wherever thay came from.

For example those Muslims wishing to introduce sharia law into the UK just antagonise non muslims who see this as a threat and imposing on exisitng laws in this country and do not need other imposing ther laws on us (our system does need a shake up however), if you want sharia law then go to a country that practises it and stop trying to change the UK as this will lead to more mistrust, more problems and fuel the right wing nutters. This is predominatly a christian country with christian laws and values.

Immigration is not just about muslins though by any means and a much wider problem imho

Oh and BTW i am agnostic, not a christian and i respect others rights to practice their chosen religion


As for another Hitler - Fuhrer Brown ain't doing so bad, he was not (fairly) elected and he is not allowing a general election and refusing to allow us to vote on the EU treaty which was promised until it looked like it would go against his wishes.

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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
For example those Muslims wishing to introduce sharia law into the UK just antagonise non muslims who see this as a threat and imposing on exisitng laws in this country and do not need other imposing ther laws on us (our system does need a shake up however), if you want sharia law then go to a country that practises it and stop trying to change the UK as this will lead to more mistrust, more problems and fuel the right wing nutters. This is predominatly a christian country with christian laws and values.

Immigration is not just about muslins though by any means and a much wider problem imho

Oh and BTW i am agnostic, not a christian and i respect others rights to practice their chosen religion

Just to take this point in isolation. The likelyhood of Sharia law ever being passed into this country is precsiely zero. So why worry about it? People campaign and lobby for all sorts of crazy notions. But that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

The vast majority of muslims practice thier faith quietly and invisibly to non-muslims. It's donesn't impact on us at all. Any more than Christians, or Jews or any other religion.
Old 19 October 2007, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
Just to take this point in isolation. The likelyhood of Sharia law ever being passed into this country is precsiely zero. So why worry about it? People campaign and lobby for all sorts of crazy notions. But that doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Time will only tell, I never thought that there would be mass bombings on the London underground or buses until a couple of years back either or brisish peolle being beheaded on live on TV/internet Pete...
This all adds to the feeling of mistrust stirred up by the right and those with thier own agenda.

Originally Posted by PeteBrant
The vast majority of muslims practice thier faith quietly and invisibly to non-muslims. It's donesn't impact on us at all. Any more than Christians, or Jews or any other religion.
Agreed
P.S. Get back to ya Guardian!

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Wait til Turkey joins the EU if you're worried about Muslims coming to Britain, they 71 million of them!
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
Wait til Turkey joins the EU if you're worried about Muslims coming to Britain, they 71 million of them!
But they also make Kebabs, so they're the good kind of Muslim.
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
Wait til Turkey joins the EU if you're worried about Muslims coming to Britain, they 71 million of them!
I think thats the main reason that they havent joined yet! Muslims dont intergrate well with Western society, so Turkey joining the EU cannot be a good move.
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
All well said and I'm sure most people agree. BUT, and it's a big BUT, as most acts of blowing people up are carried out by Muslims these days where the UK is concerned you'll have to forgive those that just 'tar all Muslims with the same brush'. It's a quite understandable reaction.

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Sadly, in the 70's an Irish accent condemned you the same way.

But, one day if all goes to plan, a real God may emerge and all the other religions better look out
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
All well said and I'm sure most people agree. BUT, and it's a big BUT, as most acts of blowing people up are carried out by Muslims these days where the UK is concerned you'll have to forgive those that just 'tar all Muslims with the same brush'. It's a quite understandable reaction.

Dave
So should we be anti-Irish too or does the fact that most of them are white Christians make it OK?
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i may be knew to the scoob world but i think you racist wan***s need to get a reality check if you ever looked at the statistics there are more white english polish other whites people living in free council house than muslims. how many muslims do you even know?? how many of them are poor? NOT MANY i am not against any faith or colour i let everyone be so y cant you??
yes i know there are a minority of people who incite hatred and bomb places ?
BUT DONT THE IRA THEY ARE WHITE!!!!!!! MANCHESTER BOMBINGS OH BUT LETS BLAME THAT ON MUSLIMS ASWELL

WHITE PEOPLE BOMB ASWELL THEY ALSO KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN


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