Compulsory Organ Donation
17 July 2007, 06:37 PM
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Compulsory Organ Donation
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I don't really understand why anyone wouldn't want to donate organs from themselves if they died, or a loved one, if it gave someone else a chance of life.
I know that some people have religious objections, which I cannot work out either - seeing as I can't imagine a more selfless or caring act than donation when you, or someone close to you is dealing with yours/someones death.
Anyone like to explain why an opt-out scheme isn't a good idea?
I don't really understand why anyone wouldn't want to donate organs from themselves if they died, or a loved one, if it gave someone else a chance of life.
I know that some people have religious objections, which I cannot work out either - seeing as I can't imagine a more selfless or caring act than donation when you, or someone close to you is dealing with yours/someones death.
Anyone like to explain why an opt-out scheme isn't a good idea?
17 July 2007, 06:54 PM
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17 July 2007, 07:02 PM
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I think it's a great idea. Hopefully it's the case and all the religious nutter will be up in arms. Only think I'd specify is that the recipient couldn't be a Liverpool fan.... that would be a nightmare! 
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17 July 2007, 07:41 PM
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I personally feel that if a relative or child of mine needed an organ donor that I would be so grateful to recieve what is needed.
Therefor I feel it's only right to do the same for someone else
Therefor I feel it's only right to do the same for someone else
17 July 2007, 08:12 PM
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Well, I think it's immoral that the State should even consider such a thing.
In true Big Brother style, the next step will be to punish those who choose to 'opt out' by refusing them access to medical treatment.
In true Big Brother style, the next step will be to punish those who choose to 'opt out' by refusing them access to medical treatment.
17 July 2007, 08:16 PM
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Im sure that youll be lambasted UB, but you make a valid point. That the state should consider this is shocking, although it may just be a device to bring the dire shortages of donors to our attention.....
17 July 2007, 08:28 PM
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Consider this..
You've been in a crash, and arrive at A&E your injury's are severe enough, that you may die if huge amounts of treatment aren't given. (the odds are stacked against you )
they open you wallet to identify you and find a donor card...
Now do they spend valuable resources trying to save you, or do they make you comfortable and wait for the inevitable, knowing your organs will be put to good use?
Mart
You've been in a crash, and arrive at A&E your injury's are severe enough, that you may die if huge amounts of treatment aren't given. (the odds are stacked against you )
they open you wallet to identify you and find a donor card...
Now do they spend valuable resources trying to save you, or do they make you comfortable and wait for the inevitable, knowing your organs will be put to good use?
Mart
17 July 2007, 08:33 PM
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Consider this..
You've been in a crash, and arrive at A&E your injury's are severe enough, that you may die if huge amounts of treatment aren't given. (the odds are stacked against you )
they open you wallet to identify you and find a donor card...
Now do they spend valuable resources trying to save you, or do they make you comfortable and wait for the inevitable, knowing your organs will be put to good use?
Mart
You've been in a crash, and arrive at A&E your injury's are severe enough, that you may die if huge amounts of treatment aren't given. (the odds are stacked against you )
they open you wallet to identify you and find a donor card...
Now do they spend valuable resources trying to save you, or do they make you comfortable and wait for the inevitable, knowing your organs will be put to good use?
Mart
You've already done your bit though, mart, by donating all your teeth
17 July 2007, 08:34 PM
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people are dying daily because health authorities don't like spending money for lifesaving drugs..
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goes against the Hippocratic oath somewhat
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17 July 2007, 08:37 PM
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17 July 2007, 08:45 PM
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Think about it. There's nothing wrong with an idividual choosing to donate their organs if they wish - but to have the agents of the State hovering at your bedside scalpel in hand almost willing you to pop your clogs so they can carve you up is nothing short of terrifying IMO.
What is even worse is the idea that if you choose to opt out the State (and the PC ***** - if theres's a distinction) will then stigmatise and seek to punish you for your choice. I've already heard it suggested that anyone who opts out will forfit their right to medical treatment. What kind of 'morality' is that?
17 July 2007, 08:50 PM
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UB, believe me I've thought about it and nothing would change my mind. Predictably your opinion was only going to be aimed one way if government was involved.
To be honest you remind me of a 1970's factory union rep who consistently challenged management.
To be honest you remind me of a 1970's factory union rep who consistently challenged management.
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Think about it. There's nothing wrong with an idividual choosing to donate their organs if they wish - but to have the agents of the State hovering at your bedside scalpel in hand almost willing you to pop your clogs so they can carve you up is nothing short of terrifying IMO.
What is even worse is the idea that if you choose to opt out the State (and the PC ***** - if theres's a distinction) will then stigmatise and seek to punish you for your choice. I've already heard it suggested that anyone who opts out will forfit their right to medical treatment. What kind of 'morality' is that?
What is even worse is the idea that if you choose to opt out the State (and the PC ***** - if theres's a distinction) will then stigmatise and seek to punish you for your choice. I've already heard it suggested that anyone who opts out will forfit their right to medical treatment. What kind of 'morality' is that?
Hearsay, You make it sound like a bad horror film. I am on the organ donor register. What good is any of my bits to me when I have karked it. On the other hand, someone may live or see or whatever after my death, so I say, good idea, they can take whatever they can use
17 July 2007, 09:00 PM
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Only a fool would trust the motives of the State - more than ever these days.'But, it will save lives if we have these new powers' they claim. That's what they tell us about widespread use of 'safety' cameras too...
Trouble is, people believe them. All these wonderful proposals add up to is more control and less rights for the idividual.Not sure about the rest of your comment, as the socialists run the country now, and what a wonderful utopia they are creating for us all.
17 July 2007, 09:01 PM
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17 July 2007, 09:07 PM
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That's just it, UB, it's not being paranoid enough to mistrust anybody but simply being an individual in your thoughts and going with them. Constantly at odds with authority just makes you a miserable sod.
17 July 2007, 09:14 PM
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How Orwellian..
Big Brother Loves You. Obey Big Brother and you will be happy (....or else....)
17 July 2007, 09:28 PM
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