Animal cruelty
28 February 2007, 12:06 AM
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Animal cruelty
...is not just about dolphins. Here animals exported from Australia are slaughtered in North Africa and the Middle East.
I am not sure this is prevalent, but to me it is more stomach churning than the dolphin video.
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The bottom line is that animal slaughter is a global fact of life and it would seem wrong (no matter how horrific) to isolate the Japanese for their cruelty when animal trade and slaughter is an international business
Merino cruelty?
Rannoch
I am not sure this is prevalent, but to me it is more stomach churning than the dolphin video.
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The bottom line is that animal slaughter is a global fact of life and it would seem wrong (no matter how horrific) to isolate the Japanese for their cruelty when animal trade and slaughter is an international business
Merino cruelty?
Rannoch
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28 February 2007, 07:43 AM
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...is not just about dolphins. Here animals exported from Australia are slaughtered in North Africa and the Middle East.
I am not sure this is prevalent, but to me it is more stomach churning than the dolphin video.
Choose viewer
The bottom line is that animal slaughter is a global fact of life and it would seem wrong (no matter how horrific) to isolate the Japanese for their cruelty when animal trade and slaughter is an international business
Merino cruelty?
Rannoch
I am not sure this is prevalent, but to me it is more stomach churning than the dolphin video.
Choose viewer
The bottom line is that animal slaughter is a global fact of life and it would seem wrong (no matter how horrific) to isolate the Japanese for their cruelty when animal trade and slaughter is an international business
Merino cruelty?
Rannoch
Agreed mate.
The "human" race makes me sick.
28 February 2007, 11:58 AM
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I know my comment in the previous thread was aimed at the Japanese and I feel justified in my comments as they were directly in response to the video with the dolphins. If the video had been of Venusians displaying cruelty toward Plutonian Gwarge Monsters I would have the same attitude toward Venusians.
I think we all understand that Animals cruelty happens worldwide and most people dispise it.
True the comments in the previous thread were all aimed toward the Japanese but it was a thread about japanese dolphin cruelty.
I'm sure if a thread regarding which rubber to put on a particular set of wheels comes up, comments on which rubber is best on the sole of hiking boots wouldn't be called for or expected.
I think we all understand that Animals cruelty happens worldwide and most people dispise it.
True the comments in the previous thread were all aimed toward the Japanese but it was a thread about japanese dolphin cruelty.
I'm sure if a thread regarding which rubber to put on a particular set of wheels comes up, comments on which rubber is best on the sole of hiking boots wouldn't be called for or expected.
28 February 2007, 12:02 PM
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I won't even click on the links. Animal cruelty to me, is the the most vile, disgusting thing around.
Now I'm not some tree-hugging veggie, I've seen some $hitty things (Bosnia '92 and Iraq '03) but I would happily beat someone to death (and really would do) if I saw them being cruel and hurting an animal for their own (twisted) kicks.
Now I'm not some tree-hugging veggie, I've seen some $hitty things (Bosnia '92 and Iraq '03) but I would happily beat someone to death (and really would do) if I saw them being cruel and hurting an animal for their own (twisted) kicks.
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28 February 2007, 02:14 PM
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I know my comment in the previous thread was aimed at the Japanese and I feel justified in my comments as they were directly in response to the video with the dolphins. If the video had been of Venusians displaying cruelty toward Plutonian Gwarge Monsters I would have the same attitude toward Venusians.
I think we all understand that Animals cruelty happens worldwide and most people dispise it.
True the comments in the previous thread were all aimed toward the Japanese but it was a thread about japanese dolphin cruelty.
I'm sure if a thread regarding which rubber to put on a particular set of wheels comes up, comments on which rubber is best on the sole of hiking boots wouldn't be called for or expected.
I think we all understand that Animals cruelty happens worldwide and most people dispise it.
True the comments in the previous thread were all aimed toward the Japanese but it was a thread about japanese dolphin cruelty.
I'm sure if a thread regarding which rubber to put on a particular set of wheels comes up, comments on which rubber is best on the sole of hiking boots wouldn't be called for or expected.
Defining animal cruelty is hard thing without anthromorphising animal behaviour. One route is to be a devout Buddhist (don't kill any living things) or accept animal death and do your best to mitigate suffering.
IMHO stabbing a live cow repeatedly in the eyes to get it to lie down is probably inappropriate suffering whether anthromorphised or not. These cows are in the same supply chain that brings most of us wool, lamb and beef.
So, please feel free to condemn the Japanese if what they are doing is cruel, and in doing so perhaps take a broader look at the issues in hand. Brit in Japan was right, they eat dolphin the same way we eat beef or lamb.
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28 February 2007, 02:38 PM
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I posted this separately as I did not want to detract from the Japanese Dolphin Thread. My point is twofold. Condemnation of animal cruelty, based on the evidence presented, should not be limited to the Japanese, and secondly, many of those doing the condemning probably do not realise that similar levels of 'cruelty' are perpetrated in their own food chain. It is something that is hard to avoid.
Defining animal cruelty is hard thing without anthromorphising animal behaviour. One route is to be a devout Buddhist (don't kill any living things) or accept animal death and do your best to mitigate suffering.
IMHO stabbing a live cow repeatedly in the eyes to get it to lie down is probably inappropriate suffering whether anthromorphised or not. These cows are in the same supply chain that brings most of us wool, lamb and beef.
So, please feel free to condemn the Japanese if what they are doing is cruel, and in doing so perhaps take a broader look at the issues in hand. Brit in Japan was right, they eat dolphin the same way we eat beef or lamb.
Rannoch
Defining animal cruelty is hard thing without anthromorphising animal behaviour. One route is to be a devout Buddhist (don't kill any living things) or accept animal death and do your best to mitigate suffering.
IMHO stabbing a live cow repeatedly in the eyes to get it to lie down is probably inappropriate suffering whether anthromorphised or not. These cows are in the same supply chain that brings most of us wool, lamb and beef.
So, please feel free to condemn the Japanese if what they are doing is cruel, and in doing so perhaps take a broader look at the issues in hand. Brit in Japan was right, they eat dolphin the same way we eat beef or lamb.
Rannoch
Cruelty goes on on lots of countries including this one, not often as what appears to be a ritualistic and inhumane slaughter by a so called civilised race.
I hate to see anybody abusing animals and would/have stopped it.
People who enjoy this often go on to worse crimes - proven link.
As for slaughter houses then this should and must be done in the most humane way possible with the least amount of distress and suffering - if people go out of their way to make this process more painful or terrifying for the animals then they also need help!
How can anybody get their jollies frightening or torturing an animal???
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28 February 2007, 02:40 PM
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Or do what Thai Buddhists do, get Muslims to work in the slaughterhouses and kill the animals, thereby relieving themselves of the guilt. (Which is what most of the west does anyway)
28 February 2007, 02:47 PM
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I wish I hadnt watched that PETA video, but everyone should. Horrifying, sadistic and brutal.. Why do these people have no compassion or respect for other creatures? It is beyond me.
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28 February 2007, 02:48 PM
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I sort of resolved it (game fishing) a couple of years back when I was with my boy fishing in the Indian Ocean when he hooked a Sail Fish. A magnificant creature which kept breaking the surface as we pulled him in. My heart sunk as I realised what we had done. It fact he jumped the hook and made off. Palpable relief and we'll never do that again.
I saw some of the Dolphin stuff on TV and it made me feel angry and sad at the same time. Mostly, I suppose, because thay are so trusting of humans. Bit like the eyes of a baby seal looking pleadingly at you. Quite illogical but there you go.
In some parts of Africa they have an expression "Happy Meat" which basically means the more pain the animal goes through as it is killed the better it tastes. dl
I saw some of the Dolphin stuff on TV and it made me feel angry and sad at the same time. Mostly, I suppose, because thay are so trusting of humans. Bit like the eyes of a baby seal looking pleadingly at you. Quite illogical but there you go.
In some parts of Africa they have an expression "Happy Meat" which basically means the more pain the animal goes through as it is killed the better it tastes. dl
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28 February 2007, 02:55 PM
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Then they are not true Buddhists. At the core of Buddhist practice is the practice of non-violence towards any creatures. Of course a much smaller population of people who call themselves Buddhists are adherents.
28 February 2007, 02:59 PM
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A Muslim/Arab in the middle east who believe that animals are worthless and to be used doesn't understand.
The Japanese don't understand the emotional attachment we have with dolphins and whales - they see them as big fish.
The rural Chinese don't understand the problem in using dried tigers *****, because of their spiritual and medical beliefs that have been ingrained over thousands of years.
Educating and modernising these people is the key to eradicating these practices. Not abusing them and their nations or social groups.
28 February 2007, 03:04 PM
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If a person offers a Buddhist monk meat should he eat it or not?
28 February 2007, 03:13 PM
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No, you understand. A tribesman in Africa with ingrained beliefs and customs doesn't.
A Muslim/Arab in the middle east who believe that animals are worthless and to be used doesn't understand.
The Japanese don't understand the emotional attachment we have with dolphins and whales - they see them as big fish.
The rural Chinese don't understand the problem in using dried tigers *****, because of their spiritual and medical beliefs that have been ingrained over thousands of years.
Educating and modernising these people is the key to eradicating these practices. Not abusing them and their nations or social groups.
A Muslim/Arab in the middle east who believe that animals are worthless and to be used doesn't understand.
The Japanese don't understand the emotional attachment we have with dolphins and whales - they see them as big fish.
The rural Chinese don't understand the problem in using dried tigers *****, because of their spiritual and medical beliefs that have been ingrained over thousands of years.
Educating and modernising these people is the key to eradicating these practices. Not abusing them and their nations or social groups.
I doubt the Japanese, for example, would take kindly to being "educated and modernised"
But I agree that different cultures have different outlooks. However I doubt that education and modernisation will really work.
Which takes us back to sanction/campaigning, starving the africans, nuking the arabs and blowing the Japanese fishing/whaling boats the **** out of the water
28 February 2007, 10:58 PM
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They do that to people in the Middle East, I dont think they are going to bat an eyelid at a sheep or a cow. In fact the whole method of dispatching the cows seemed long winded, impractical and dangerous for the slaughterman which makes me think it was either done like that as they get a kick out of it or it was dragged out for the cameras. Why have a frightened, wounded animal wandering around, it doesnt make any sense ?
28 February 2007, 11:55 PM
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01 March 2007, 12:49 AM
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They do that to people in the Middle East, I dont think they are going to bat an eyelid at a sheep or a cow. In fact the whole method of dispatching the cows seemed long winded, impractical and dangerous for the slaughterman which makes me think it was either done like that as they get a kick out of it or it was dragged out for the cameras. Why have a frightened, wounded animal wandering around, it doesnt make any sense ?
I've worked with cows and tell you what.......I wanted to be out of their way! Granted, they weren't running round frantically trying to evade their "attackers", but if they wanted to have a go at you, they'd win!!
Watched the video and thought it was absolutely disgusting to see people treat animals like that. Fair enough.....if animals need to be slaughtered then have it done as "humanely" as possible. That doesn't include (I suspect) slashing tendons, following them round stabbing their eyes, slashing under their tails, dragging by the ears, blindfolding, etc, etc, etc.
SICK ******!!!!!