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Old 04 December 2006, 11:13 AM
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If you're on a dual carriage-way with National Speed Limits signs everywhere, it's a 70mph limit, and 60mph if it's a single carriage-way?

Am I right?
Old 04 December 2006, 11:16 AM
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Old 04 December 2006, 11:19 AM
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Old 04 December 2006, 11:43 AM
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Unless your a cotten bud, in which case its 40mph everywhere, even the 30limits

Sometimes I wonder if the population knows what the white circular sign with the black diagonal line actually means.
Old 04 December 2006, 11:46 AM
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My missus used to call them the "go as fast as you like" signs If only that was the case!
Old 04 December 2006, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Shark Man
Unless your a cotten bud, in which case its 40mph everywhere, even the 30limits

Sometimes I wonder if the population knows what the white circular sign with the black diagonal line actually means.
These are on the raise aswell, nearly everytime im out i come across someone driving like that, and if i dare to overtake them, were its safe on national speed limit roads, i get the glare of death, or in some cases a quick flash of the headlights.

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Old 04 December 2006, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonno_johnson
and if i dare to overtake them, were its safe on national speed limit roads, i get the glare of death, or in some cases a quick flash of the headlights.
The quick flash of the headlights is just complimenting your brilliant overtaking manouver. I always wave back to thank them for the compliment
Old 04 December 2006, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
PS: you're right - LOTS of people haven't a clue what the speeds actually are. The most common ones are thinking duals are 60mph and single carriageways are 50 ..... RTFM people ...

I got in a shouting match with some clown who pulled out of a side road in front of me on an NSL single-carriageway road. He took offence to my beeping and slammed on the brakes. He then swore blind that the NSL on single carriageways was 50mph. His trump-card? "I'm a driving instructor and therefore I should know"...


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Old 04 December 2006, 12:46 PM
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Actually, i think i'm right in saying that there used to be a difference between lit single carriageways (50mph) and unlit single carriageways (60mph). Lots of older drivers probably aren't aware that it's 60mph now whatever the lighting.
Old 04 December 2006, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Coffin Dodger
The quick flash of the headlights is just complimenting your brilliant overtaking manouver. I always wave back to thank them for the compliment
Lol, thanks for the idea, ill give it a go when it next happens.
Old 04 December 2006, 12:51 PM
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I like seeing the GLF signs on country roads where it's near on impossible to go the full whack of 60.....unless you're in a subaru
And then other road users get the right hoomp
Old 04 December 2006, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Coffin Dodger
The quick flash of the headlights is just complimenting your brilliant overtaking manouver. I always wave back to thank them for the compliment
People are always really nice to me when I overtake them; I often get offered a cocktail- at least I think that's what the hand gesture they use means

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Make the most of them - give it 2 or 3 years and unrestricted country lanes will be something you tell your grandchildren about
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nnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooo

Say it ain't so!!
Old 04 December 2006, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Coffin Dodger
The quick flash of the headlights is just complimenting your brilliant overtaking manouver. I always wave back to thank them for the compliment
I always do the same, although depending on what mood I'm in sometimes only with one finger, though I bet a full on wave really pi55es them off

There is a section on the A1 near the Scottish border, which is derestricted. For about 800 yards it becomes dual carriageway with a central reservation and there's a speed camera in the middle of it.
My Origin B2 recons it's a 60 limit not 70 and I've never wanted to try getting a ticket !
I know the B2 could be wrong, but is there any reason why a short section of dual carriageway should stay at the 60 limit ?
Old 04 December 2006, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks 23
If you're on a dual carriage-way with National Speed Limits signs everywhere, it's a 70mph limit, and 60mph if it's a single carriage-way?

Am I right?
I assume you're talking about speed limits for cars without anything in tow?
How many people know what the limits are for towing vehicles and articulated lorries?

I normally treat NSL as GLF where conditions allow.....
Old 04 December 2006, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick100
...There is a section on the A1 near the Scottish border, which is derestricted. For about 800 yards it becomes dual carriageway with a central reservation and there's a speed camera in the middle of it.
My Origin B2 recons it's a 60 limit not 70 and I've never wanted to try getting a ticket !
I know the B2 could be wrong, but is there any reason why a short section of dual carriageway should stay at the 60 limit ?
Maybe because there's a camera on it? Must be a lovely earner... Here's how it works.

Drop the speed limit on a piece of road that has no need for the limit to be dropped. Make the minimum fuss possible. Do a "survey" after the limit has changed. Lo and behold, there is clearly a problem with a significant proportion of drivers speeding! That gives you the justification for putting a camera on a trunk road - they're covered by the DTR, not by the local authority and they don't need inconvenient accident stats, just evidence of systemic speeding...

Alternatively, of course, your B2 doesn't know that bit is duel carriageway.

I'll go for the first one, though, cynical old ****** that I am...

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Old 04 December 2006, 01:23 PM
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Dosent the dual carrige way have to have a barrier down the middle to make it 70, other wise its a 60???


why cant it be like southern ireland here, if its a 70 the sighn says 70 much simplier.
Old 04 December 2006, 01:25 PM
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Have a link

The Highway Code


I agree that the NSL sign is out of date now - just replace with "60" or "70" as appropriate.
Old 04 December 2006, 01:33 PM
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What really does my head in when u see a nice yellow speed camera and not a sign for miles telling you the speed limit
Old 04 December 2006, 01:36 PM
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Me and the Mrs were talking about this a while back, there really is no point in having that sign. Stick a number on it and avoid any confusion!
Old 04 December 2006, 01:41 PM
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The point is that you can raise or lower the NSL without having to change millions of signs.
Old 04 December 2006, 04:15 PM
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To be classed as a dual carrigeway, there must be some form of separation (i.e a central reservation - not necessarily a crash barrier) - I think this where the misconception about needing a crash barrier for it to be a 70 limit comes from.
Old 04 December 2006, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Have a link

The Highway Code

Well that explains a lot - lorries over 7.5 tonnes have a 40 limit on derestricted single carriageways and 50 on dual carriageways.
No wonder I'm always cursing them for driving so slowly.
Old 04 December 2006, 05:48 PM
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Fortunately over ' ere it can mean GLF, but dont crash.....
Of course not many spots to do that.
And thay are disappearing.
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