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Old 25 September 2006, 03:13 PM
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Question Any armourers, weapon experts out there?

Found an old bullet casing in the garden and wanna try an identify it, anyone on here who might be able to help?
Tis a bit corroded and ended where bullet should be is fractured off.

Has the following numbers on the bottom fo the casing

top middle (12 0clock) 24

middle right (3 oclock) 24

middle left (9 oclock) 72

bottom middle (6 oclock) 166 or 168 then a gap then p, the area is a bit corroded so difficult to see.
Old 25 September 2006, 03:15 PM
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A picture against a ruler may be more helpful
Old 25 September 2006, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
A picture against a ruler may be more helpful
OF THE BULLET CASING................
Old 25 September 2006, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
OF THE BULLET CASING................
Old 25 September 2006, 03:21 PM
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um not very big lol

tis about 10mm accross the base (aka to the outside of the extended flange's), its at home so have to get photo tonight, thaught numbers might identify it.
Old 25 September 2006, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
um not very big lol

tis about 10mm accross the base (aka to the outside of the extended flange's), its at home so have to get photo tonight, thaught numbers might identify it.
Is the case the same diameter all the way along or does it narrow towards the end? If it's stubby and the same diameter all the way it sounds like a 9mm hand gun round, if it tapers then it's more likely for a rifel.
Old 25 September 2006, 04:45 PM
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God knows, It could be anything

Drop me some pics
Old 25 September 2006, 04:49 PM
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it seems to be constant size, but snapped off about 15mm along the lngeth (not got second half).

i thought perhaps handgun round.

how long does it take for a cassing to break down? although surfice is starting to show signs of break down still seems fairly solid.

i shall get some pics up tonight
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
it seems to be constant size, but snapped off about 15mm along the lngeth (not got second half).

i thought perhaps handgun round.

how long does it take for a cassing to break down? although surfice is starting to show signs of break down still seems fairly solid.

i shall get some pics up tonight
The casings are usually brass and wear quite well, you can still find casings from WW1 in France. 15mm in length wouldn't be too unusual for a hand gun round, is it possible that the edge is just rather badly worn / frayed?
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
it seems to be constant size, but snapped off about 15mm along the lngeth (not got second half).

i thought perhaps handgun round.

how long does it take for a cassing to break down? although surfice is starting to show signs of break down still seems fairly solid.

i shall get some pics up tonight
Sounds like a .22 casing,

is it - about half an inch long & half a CM in total width?
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yeah mate, edge looks broken off, so might be its broken away in sections as its worn.

was found in gardening bed, which prob means its been there since before we moved in (17 years ago now, we are the first owners of the house) before that the area was farmland, then before that miniland (right by J26 on m1 near nottingham.

never seen any farmers using anything like (have family who own a farm up north) def not a shotgun cartrage
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
Found an old bullet casing in the garden and wanna try an identify it, anyone on here who might be able to help?
Tis a bit corroded and ended where bullet should be is fractured off.

Has the following numbers on the bottom fo the casing

top middle (12 0clock) 24

middle right (3 oclock) 24

middle left (9 oclock) 72

bottom middle (6 oclock) 166 or 168 then a gap then p, the area is a bit corroded so difficult to see.











9mm
Old 25 September 2006, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RMA26
Sounds like a .22 casing,

is it - about half an inch long & half a CM in total width?
He said it's about 10mm across the percussion cap end. Touch large for a .22, or he's poor at estimating size
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
yeah mate, edge looks broken off, so might be its broken away in sections as its worn.

was found in gardening bed, which prob means its been there since before we moved in (17 years ago now, we are the first owners of the house) before that the area was farmland, then before that miniland (right by J26 on m1 near nottingham.

never seen any farmers using anything like (have family who own a farm up north) def not a shotgun cartrage
Could be anything mate

Probably a .22 rifle casing, or maybe a .222 (foxing round) more common & sounds more like
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Originally Posted by RMA26
Sounds like a .22 casing,

is it - about half an inch long & half a CM in total width?
nah mate more like 10mm wide at least
Old 25 September 2006, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
He said it's about 10mm across the percussion cap end. Touch large for a .22, or he's poor at estimating size
Sounds like .222 (Foxing round)
Old 25 September 2006, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
yeah mate, edge looks broken off, so might be its broken away in sections as its worn.

was found in gardening bed, which prob means its been there since before we moved in (17 years ago now, we are the first owners of the house) before that the area was farmland, then before that miniland (right by J26 on m1 near nottingham.

never seen any farmers using anything like (have family who own a farm up north) def not a shotgun cartrage
If it was farm land I wouldn't be surprised if it was .22, but what you have described sounds too large for that.
Old 25 September 2006, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
He said it's about 10mm across the percussion cap end. Touch large for a .22, or he's poor at estimating size
common male problem lol
Old 25 September 2006, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
If it was farm land I wouldn't be surprised if it was .22, but what you have described sounds too large for that.
.222 is marginally bigger
Old 25 September 2006, 05:07 PM
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Does it have a rim or groove on the firing pin end ??
Old 25 September 2006, 05:07 PM
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****, run mate, sounds like you have an un exploded tank shell lol



let me know, i can sell you some 76mm shell casings, or how about some motar's comtlete with tails???


not live though, would hate to see the posty loose his arms whilst shoving that through your letterbox lol
Old 25 September 2006, 05:08 PM
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i shall get the measrueing stick, mayb even vernicalipers out
Old 25 September 2006, 05:09 PM
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tis a rim

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Old 25 September 2006, 05:12 PM
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OK you said it has a rim.

Does it have an E engraved shallowly in the base?
Old 25 September 2006, 05:16 PM
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not a million miles away, about 3 miles to be precise
Old 25 September 2006, 05:18 PM
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i picked up a few blanks at the ranges nr otterburn last week.


i was slightly surprised at the lack of info on the casings.


the Shells we made in Birtley had the place, type and date on them, clearly marked, is this done through code on the rifel casings?



john
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
not a million miles away, about 3 miles to be precise
OK I'll wait for pics, but I think its a .22 rimmy.

There isn't a modern service rifle that uses rimfire rounds that I'm aware of.

if it is a .22 case then the rim end will be about 8mm in diameter and the bullet end about 6mm in diameter. So would give you a rough T in cross section.
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righto, think its bigger than 6mm across though, but shall geta measure and some photo's lol

didn't expect many replies on this and flippin heck how many??? lol
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bit of an update, tried to take some pics last night bt failed due to fuzzy pics (think i need a better cam for the job) but i did get the old measuring device out.

acrross the widest part (lip on bottom) its 13mm, then 11mm for the main casing. its approx 15-20mm long (depends where its broken off), but prob not the end of it
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
bit of an update, tried to take some pics last night bt failed due to fuzzy pics (think i need a better cam for the job) but i did get the old measuring device out.

acrross the widest part (lip on bottom) its 13mm, then 11mm for the main casing. its approx 15-20mm long (depends where its broken off), but prob not the end of it
It's bigger than .222 casing

Sounds like it could be either the **** end of a .762 round (Rifle), or maybe a .44/.45 casing (Pistol round)


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