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15 September 2006, 12:45 PM
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Can anyone actually say with any certainty if...
...we'd of won the Second World War if the Americans hadnt joined in??
some facts for your argument would be good too...
I have the feeling that we'd of won eventually but over a longer period and with more casulties...
anyone with more knowledge of it than me know any different???
Wez
some facts for your argument would be good too...
I have the feeling that we'd of won eventually but over a longer period and with more casulties...
anyone with more knowledge of it than me know any different???
Wez
15 September 2006, 12:58 PM
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The yanks provided us and shipped us a lot of steel/material to build our fighting machines, as well as the sheer numbers of troops.
from speaking to veterans at various events they believe we wouldnt have won it without the yanks support.I think I support that view.
from speaking to veterans at various events they believe we wouldnt have won it without the yanks support.I think I support that view.
15 September 2006, 01:01 PM
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The American's provided huge numbers of men and equipment in all theatres of WW2.
I doubt it could have been won without them and even Churchill knew that.
I doubt it could have been won without them and even Churchill knew that.
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15 September 2006, 01:02 PM
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On manpower and logistical support they helped us turn the tide, without them I think we would have been overrun. It could have all been so much different though, as during Americas infancy they took a vote on what should become the national language and the result was 49.5% German, 50.5% English. If the US had become a German speaking nation how different would things have been 
15 September 2006, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
On manpower and logistical support they helped us turn the tide, without them I think we would have been overrun. It could have all been so much different though, as during Americas infancy they took a vote on what should become the national language and the result was 49.5% German, 50.5% English. If the US had become a German speaking nation how different would things have been
15 September 2006, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
If the US had spent 100 years as a German speaking nation they may have shown different allegiances come 1914 and 1939.
Sounds like a better world to me, Adolf come back, all is forgiven
15 September 2006, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim-Grove
As much as I hate to say it if the US didn’t help us out in the war us and probably most of the Eurasian continent would have eventually become communists
The machines and war materials provided prior to 1941 were not "free", they were provided on a lend lease arrangement.
The event that probably helped us more was Germany's mistake in attacking Russia despite their anti aggression pact. If Hitler had concentrated on the west before turning against the East the war would have been over(for us at least) well before the US joined.
15 September 2006, 01:16 PM
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One things for sure though. If germany had won the war, we wouldn't have the problem with imigrants we seem to have.
Just a thought. Ich danke Ihnen (I thank you)
Just a thought. Ich danke Ihnen (I thank you)
15 September 2006, 01:16 PM
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Actually, to contradict myself I have just researched (Googled ) the subject and the vote on English/German in the US is actually a myth known as the Muhlenberg Legend. I stand by my comments on the manpower and logistics though.
) the subject and the vote on English/German in the US is actually a myth known as the Muhlenberg Legend. I stand by my comments on the manpower and logistics though.
15 September 2006, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
One things for sure though. If germany had won the war, we wouldn't have the problem with imigrants we seem to have.
Just a thought. Ich danke Ihnen (I thank you)
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15 September 2006, 01:19 PM
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Another intersting thought.
Before WWII America was NOT a Superpower. Without them getting involved, America would certainly not be the force they are today. In fact without America getting involved in the War, German would probably be ruling the world.
Before WWII America was NOT a Superpower. Without them getting involved, America would certainly not be the force they are today. In fact without America getting involved in the War, German would probably be ruling the world.
15 September 2006, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
Another intersting thought.
Before WWII America was NOT a Superpower. Without them getting involved, America would certainly not be the force they are today. In fact without America getting involved in the War, German would probably be ruling the world.
Before WWII America was NOT a Superpower. Without them getting involved, America would certainly not be the force they are today. In fact without America getting involved in the War, German would probably be ruling the world.
15 September 2006, 01:36 PM
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Fact 1: We paid top dollar for all American equipment under the lend-lease act. Only in recent years have we finished paying for this
Fact 2: The USA didn't join WW2 even after the Pearl Harbour attack they still didn't. Hitler actually declared war on the USA which dragged them in.
Hearsay: IMHO, Roosvelt had the intention of using WW2 to dismantle the British Empire and replace us with the USA as top dog. Looks like he succeeded.
Fact 2: The USA didn't join WW2 even after the Pearl Harbour attack they still didn't. Hitler actually declared war on the USA which dragged them in.
Hearsay: IMHO, Roosvelt had the intention of using WW2 to dismantle the British Empire and replace us with the USA as top dog. Looks like he succeeded.
15 September 2006, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
Before WWII America was NOT a Superpower. Without them getting involved, America would certainly not be the force they are today. In fact without America getting involved in the War, German would probably be ruling the world.
Agreed, or it would have been a toss up between Germany or Russia. The Americans were desperate to capture all the top German scientists as the war came to a close, and those scientists are the main reason that America became a superpower. People like Oppenheimer, Einstein and Von-Braun were in great demand by both soviet and american governments. If they'd decided to surrender to the russians instead, the world would be a very different place now!
15 September 2006, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
True, so we'd be speaking German aswell and we wouldnt have dodgy muslims in our country bleeding us dry aswell as wanting to blow us up and we probably wouldnt be getting involved with any of the middle east bull**** Sounds like a better world to me, Adolf come back, all is forgiven
Sounds like a better world to me, Adolf come back, all is forgiven 
15 September 2006, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ChefDude
aren't we still paying off the war loan?
We still owe them approx £225 Billion from WWI though while the UK is currently owed about £104 Billion from other countries from the early part of the 1900's.
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15 September 2006, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nat21
We finish paying it in December with a final $83 Million payment!
Didnt a certain Mr Charles Babage (sp) have to sign other a rather special little invention to them aswell...?
15 September 2006, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
ricardo, I might have said it in jest but there is an element of it that is true
15 September 2006, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wez_sti
Didnt a certain Mr Charles Babage (sp) have to sign other a rather special little invention to them aswell...?