Chip

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5308622.stm

Very sad

Mitchy260

It is indeed, especially as its accidental.

We are losing quite a few in afghanistan just now

Iwan

unclebuck

More blood on Tony Blair's hands. I don't know how that c*nt sleeps at night

rob878

Quite simply he neither knocks on the door to deliver the news nor writes the letters to inform the fallens families.

The man is a coward, and for the life of me i can't understand the run down of the military budgets coupled with the increase in international involvement. We aren't a big player in world politics any more. The RAF is now smaller than the MET police force, yet we are away in more fields of operation than ever before. Yes we signed up for it, but not many would sign up for it again.

_RIP_

Moley

iTrader: (9)

If was was a technical problem it would probably crashed anyway, wherever it was TBH

rob878

Oh! i have slipped the surly bonds of earth
and danced the skieson laughter silvered wings
Sunwards i have climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun split clouds-and a hundred things
You have not dreamt of -wheeled and soared and swung
high in sunlit silence,hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air
Up,up the long delerious, burning blue
I've topped the wind swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew
And, while with silent lifting mind i've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space
Put my hand out and touched the face of god

May you rest in peace

unclebuck

Don't believe that. Nimrods never 'crash' they are among the most reliable planes around, having flown millions of trouble free miles over the years.

'technical problems' my ar*e

Petem95

Not nice to hear

Dont really expect to lose an aircraft like a Nimrod either - 4 engines, but could probably fly on 2. Was lost in flight, not on take-off or landing - and apparently not shot down by a SAM so will be interesting to hear what happened.

sti-04!!

Politics again

CrisPDuk

That's bollocks, I know of at least two, one at an airshow on the other side of the Atlantic, and one that was forced to ditch of the south coast.

The BBC report says 'operator error' at the moment anyway, not that that's much comfort to the relatives of those that died

unclebuck

Clearly just a 'tragic accident' then. Lucky the BBC can be relied upon to give us all the facts.

AndiThompson

Or maybe the taliban shot down the multi-million high tech plane flying at several thousand feet with their combined armoury of a couple of AKs and the odd RPG?

turboman786

Stranger things have happened....lets face it, this is WAR.....war involves propoganda...and rule 1 is never admit youve been hit by the enemy....

Funkii Munkii

Yeah but the Taliban will claim they took out anything that's crashed in the last 5 years, it works both ways.

UB the Nimrod was born from the Comet, I'm suprised more haven't fallen out of the sky, although they did sort out the fatigue problem on the Comets.

Iwan

I don't think it was a fatigue problem as such. The Comet had square windows when it was developed and some aircraft were lost when these blew out at high altitude, due to the stresses in the corners. They changed them to round windows and didn't have any further problems IIRC.

I only know of two other Nimrods that have been lost, one at an airshow in Canada in 1995 due to pilot error, and the other that ditched in the north sea some time after.

Funkii Munkii

I thought they had problems with fatigue around the engine casings/wings as well ??

Ill have to have a little search.

scoobynutta555

Luckily for us fountains of knowledge like yourself are on hand to give us the facts

CrisPDuk

The fatigue problems on the early Comets were caused by the same malaise that has subsequently crippled or killed every aspect of British industry The windows were originally designed to be bonded into their surrounds, the accounts department decided that they should be rivetted as it was cheaper. The stress fractures grew from the holes drilled for the rivets

wrxtankie

There have been four previous crashes of Nimrods since 1980, two of them involving fatalities.

The last took place 11 years ago to the day when seven crew from Kinloss died at an air show near Toronto, Canada.



Very spooky.

unclebuck

Which facts where those then?

If there is one fact that I sure as **** do know it's not to believe anything I'm told by this lying criminal government. You of course are welcome to believe any and all crap fed to you by them which I'm sure you do without question.

brihoppy

absolutely tragic...i still cant understand why they dont put ejector seats in these types of aircraft...?!?

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

UB, dont jump to conclusions to suit your own political agenda, you may well be right bt wait for the facts, planes crash, its **** but it happens, the plane doesnt know where it is in the world when it crashes, might be a hush up but I am sure it will come out if it is.

Daz34

It's a 1940's design for starters....

brihoppy

alot of early jet aircraft had ejector seats; canberra and victor(other v-bombers maybe...?) spring to mind for british a/c and the B-52 has them and thats knocking on a bit...it must be possible to retrofit them surely...???

equip them with parachutes at the very least...!

WRX300MAN

What makes it even sadder is that it could have been entirely avoidable . .

1)they should not have been there in the first palce . .

2)They should not have been on board an outdated and completely crap plane . .
..
3) Ejector seats or not . . .Its a tragedy . .

scoobynutta555

Erm.... You
Then CrisPDuk
Just one example of the crap that you spew.

marky1

The one that ditched happened just off the coast of my school in Scotland, right next to RAF Lossiemouth. They crash landed it into the sea and all of them got out - pretty amazing really. A few years before this 3 kids from my school lost their fathers in a Shakelton crash off the west coast of scotland. These crashes are always very sad as they nearly always involve people with young families.

Iwan

My dad used to fly Nimrod Mr2s, so I've been around them quite a bit over the years. He was based at St Mawgan though rather than Kinloss.

They don't have any ejector seats fitted. Some other aircraft of the time had them, the Vulcan had 2 for the pilots but the other 3 crew had to bail out of a hatch. IIRC the B-52 has ejector seats for all its crew, some of them fire downwards.

The thing is, usually Nimrods wouldn't be in a super hostile environment - like an AWACs. It's not like a Vulcan which might have had to penetrate deep into enemy territory at low level, Nimrods generally linger around at heights where they're not so vulnerable - and usually are protected by fighters if the area is dangerous.