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Global Warming - truth or fiction?
31 May 2006, 11:10 AM
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Global Warming - truth or fiction?
Following on from, or indeed in addition to some recent threads, let's get to the core of the matter.
Is global warming real?
There are many scientists and lobby groups who only exist to support the hypothesis that human development has created global warming.
There are many scientists and lobby groups who only exist as they are in the pay of stakeholders who wish to oppose global warming.
There are a third group of scientists who are looking at the data and saying that the whole global warming debate is an industry in it's own right and a load of old cobblers. Their belief is that climate change is real - man's impact is irrelevant. Even more interesting is that one of the key spokespeople for the latter group is Michael Crichton who presents some very challenging data from the first two groups.
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Is global warming real?
There are many scientists and lobby groups who only exist to support the hypothesis that human development has created global warming.
There are many scientists and lobby groups who only exist as they are in the pay of stakeholders who wish to oppose global warming.
There are a third group of scientists who are looking at the data and saying that the whole global warming debate is an industry in it's own right and a load of old cobblers. Their belief is that climate change is real - man's impact is irrelevant. Even more interesting is that one of the key spokespeople for the latter group is Michael Crichton who presents some very challenging data from the first two groups.
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31 May 2006, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
Following on from, or indeed in addition to some recent threads, let's get to the core of the matter.
Is global warming real?
There are many scientists and lobby groups who only exist to support the hypothesis that human development has created global warming.
There are many scientists and lobby groups who only exist as they are in the pay of stakeholders who wish to oppose global warming.
There are a third group of scientists who are looking at the data and saying that the whole global warming debate is an industry in it's own right and a load of old cobblers. Their belief is that climate change is real - man's impact is irrelevant. Even more interesting is that one of the key spokespeople for the latter group is Michael Crichton who presents some very challenging data from the first two groups.
Rannoch
Is global warming real?
There are many scientists and lobby groups who only exist to support the hypothesis that human development has created global warming.
There are many scientists and lobby groups who only exist as they are in the pay of stakeholders who wish to oppose global warming.
There are a third group of scientists who are looking at the data and saying that the whole global warming debate is an industry in it's own right and a load of old cobblers. Their belief is that climate change is real - man's impact is irrelevant. Even more interesting is that one of the key spokespeople for the latter group is Michael Crichton who presents some very challenging data from the first two groups.
Rannoch
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31 May 2006, 11:15 AM
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Well one things for sure the seasons are now fooked! As a kid growing up in the seventies I remember long hot summers and snow in winter, we dont have any extremes of weather now and there is just no consistency so something has *definately* changed. And its all soooo boring now!
31 May 2006, 11:15 AM
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figment of the imagination, it's all propaganda and scare mongering tactics IMO. It's easy to blame human race and industrial processes, but it's also a new route for the big wigs to impose more taxes and regain control over segments that have slipped out of their juristiction.
31 May 2006, 11:19 AM
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I'm reading State of Fear at the minute by Michael Crichton which touches on this very subject, only a few chapters in though so dont have any conclusions to draw yet.
I reckon its all bollox personally - the earth will be around long after we've all nuked each other.
I reckon its all bollox personally - the earth will be around long after we've all nuked each other.
31 May 2006, 11:25 AM
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Why has the climate changed pretty radically over the past half years Rannoch?
I don't wear hand knitted jumpers, I get them from the charity shop, so I can't vote in your poll.
Les
I don't wear hand knitted jumpers, I get them from the charity shop, so I can't vote in your poll.
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31 May 2006, 11:29 AM
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Of course the Earth is warming, 'cos the Sun is, inexorably until its catastrophic demise. Mankind may aggrivate the situation slightly, but that's down to sheer numbers crippling the eco-system that supports us. I can't vote in the poll as if I vote yes then I am admitting it is solely the fault of cars and industry, if I vote no then I appear a deluded luddite, and if I vote for the Scoob....oh, hang on. That makes sense although a little arrogant
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Why has the climate changed pretty radically over the past half years Rannoch?
31 May 2006, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Yes Olly, there is a marked difference in the types of weather that we get in the different seasons now compared with earlier times well within living memory.
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The global climate has always changed - 10,000 years ago most of the UK was under several feet of ice, one suggestion is we are still recovering from that, temperatures have been higher in the past too. What's your point?
31 May 2006, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Yes Olly, there is a marked difference in the types of weather that we get in the different seasons now compared with earlier times well within living memory.
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Further to my post in the Clarkson thread, records are available which show that prior to the Krakatoa eruption, temeratures and climates were not dissimilar to those we have now.
As Rannoch's post said, it all depends on which bunch of scientists you choose to believe, at the end of the day they've all got a vested interest. I personally go with the geologists, who generally are saying it's all part of the natural orderof things
31 May 2006, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
I would be inclined to take what David Attenborough says seriously.
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One of the key researchers in this field with the scariest data has had all of his work rubbished even by global warming supporters.
His methodology was fed with randomly generated computer data and it produced the same scary 'hockey stick' effect of massive impact of global warming. His work was the basis for much of the recent thinking
I think we could all be a little more open minded.
Michael Chrichton makes a great point. With between one and two billion people dying of starvation every day, an Aids epidemic in Africa and many other global challenges - climate may just not quite deserve the funding it is getting today based on some hysterical outcries of some rubbish scientists.
31 May 2006, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
I would be inclined to take what David Attenborough says seriously.
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31 May 2006, 12:37 PM
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I'm reading State of Fear at the minute by Michael Crichton which touches on this very subject, only a few chapters in though so dont have any conclusions to draw yet.
I reckon its all bollox personally - the earth will be around long after we've all nuked each other.
I reckon its all bollox personally - the earth will be around long after we've all nuked each other.
31 May 2006, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
Trouble is Les, in the grand scheme of things as far as the planet goes, living memory is an insignificant amount of time.
"If you placed a sheet of paper on the top step, that would equate to the time humans have been on the planet."
Really makes you think!
31 May 2006, 12:59 PM
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"If you placed a sheet of paper on the top step, that would equate to the time humans have been on the planet."
Really makes you think!
Really makes you think!
31 May 2006, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Yes Olly, there is a marked difference in the types of weather that we get in the different seasons now compared with earlier times well within living memory.
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31 May 2006, 01:06 PM
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The Sun is constantly getting bigger and hotter. This planet, and all other planets in our solar system are getting hotter.
The only reason our planet is the temprature it is now, is that millions of years ago a comet smashed into the Earth, killing the Dinosours. Before then, the whole planet was tropical. No North or South pole. Our Planet is just going back to where it was. No Tax will stop that. In another few millions years from now, this planet will just be molten rock, as the Sun will be so hot nothing will survive. Tax us for the Gordon !!!!
Stating Global warming for everything is just a way to justify pushing up taxes.
The only reason our planet is the temprature it is now, is that millions of years ago a comet smashed into the Earth, killing the Dinosours. Before then, the whole planet was tropical. No North or South pole. Our Planet is just going back to where it was. No Tax will stop that. In another few millions years from now, this planet will just be molten rock, as the Sun will be so hot nothing will survive. Tax us for the Gordon !!!!
Stating Global warming for everything is just a way to justify pushing up taxes.
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31 May 2006, 01:55 PM
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According to focus magazine the sun has about 5 billion years left before it becomes a white drawf
They reckon humans equate to 7gt/year of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, where as a single (big) volcanicic erruption can release upto 1.5gt/year of carbon dioxide upto 15 km into the stratospher causing a lot more damage.
They reckon humans equate to 7gt/year of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, where as a single (big) volcanicic erruption can release upto 1.5gt/year of carbon dioxide upto 15 km into the stratospher causing a lot more damage.
31 May 2006, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by stilover
The Sun is constantly getting bigger and hotter. This planet, and all other planets in our solar system are getting hotter.
The only reason our planet is the temprature it is now, is that millions of years ago a comet smashed into the Earth, killing the Dinosours. Before then, the whole planet was tropical. No North or South pole. Our Planet is just going back to where it was. No Tax will stop that. In another few millions years from now, this planet will just be molten rock, as the Sun will be so hot nothing will survive. Tax us for the Gordon !!!!
Stating Global warming for everything is just a way to justify pushing up taxes.
The only reason our planet is the temprature it is now, is that millions of years ago a comet smashed into the Earth, killing the Dinosours. Before then, the whole planet was tropical. No North or South pole. Our Planet is just going back to where it was. No Tax will stop that. In another few millions years from now, this planet will just be molten rock, as the Sun will be so hot nothing will survive. Tax us for the Gordon !!!!
Stating Global warming for everything is just a way to justify pushing up taxes.
Except for the last sentance. Anyone know of any *green* policy that doesn't involve more taxes or more expense for us proliteriat?? And if the sum being spent on Kyoto (which will make .about 2 deg. C difference in the temp at best guess) was spent on water it would be anough to ensure everyone on the planet had adequate fresh water. Ooops. But that would cost money rather than extract more for the 'powers that be'.I've been checking what the weather will be for this week as I'm off work and one of the things I want to do is the garden, as the wettest drought in living memory isn't allowing me to cut my grass ... Anyhow, check the 5-day forecast with the met office and it chnages day by day. More to the point it is absolutely wrong every day! Now 'climate' isn't 'weather' BUT the science is a lot more known. But still they get it wrong. So I have no faith in them getting the climate right for the next 100 years or so into the future.
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31 May 2006, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
Hmmm. Your thoeries are just that ....
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31 May 2006, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Yes the climate is changing, it always has, at the moment it is warming, the question is if it is natural or man made (AGW - Anthropogenic Global Warming)
Has Sir David even commented on this issue yet, or has he just said that he thinks climate change represents a danger and had the greens jump on it.
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Originally Posted by Duck_Pond
"If you placed a sheet of paper on the top step, that would equate to the time humans have been on the planet."
Really makes you think!
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Originally Posted by davegtt
The earth is warming? Its June tomorrow and Im still using my frigging central heating... WTF.
It's now proven by the MET Office that it's us that are causing it all.....i won't be here to see the worst of it though.
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Originally Posted by drb5
It's now proven by the MET Office that it's us that are causing it all.....i .
