hedgehog

I believe that the STi will certainly fall into this band, and perhaps others as well. As good a reason as any not to vote for the Lib Dems I suppose, though their desire to use "the environment" as an excuse for imposing unnecessary controls upon your life seems to closely follow that of other parties.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm

Lib Dems plan a £2,000 road tax

The Liberal Democrats hope to change Britain's car-buying habits
The owners of cars which generate the most pollution would face annual road taxes of £2,000 under Liberal Democrat plans to tackle climate change.
The figure - 10 times the current rate - would cover high-end cars such as BMW's 7 series, Bentley Continentals and the four-by-four Porsche Cayenne.

It would apply only to new cars, with exemptions for "essential" vehicles.

Airlines would also be taxed per flight rather than by passenger, to penalise companies operating half-full planes.

The party's environmental spokesman Chris Huhne said it was vital "to use green taxes as a lever in order to make our behaviour sustainable".

He said he wanted to "change the cars that we buy rather than the cars that we're using at the moment".

This was because it was important "people know exactly what they're letting themselves in for" when considering a purchase.

Mr Huhne insisted the increase would not lead to motorists retaining dilapidated cars instead of replacing them.

"The idea is not to encourage people to go on driving 'rust-buckets' but actually to encourage them when they're purchasing a new car to buy a car which is consistent with their environmental obligations," ," he said.

watto52

whats the chances of the lib dems getting into power?

john banks

Just like 50% income tax and local income taxes, this is why we will never elect them (I certainly hope). They are by far the most left of the lot of them. We'll all be paying taxes for non-contributory members of society to produce more delicious offspring.

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

Yep, but what they don't tell you is that the humble motorist with all of the modern high-powered and older high-emission vehicles only contribute about 0.5% of the worlds greenhouse gases with airlines and power stations being the main culprits

ricardo

Hmmm, now there's an idea - chav farming for the table

^Qwerty^

Can't wait for them to come knocking on the door looking for a vote

pslewis

£2000 Car Tax is excellent!!

Allows me to drive my Impreza around laughing at all the poor people

Pete

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Do you ever post anything that's not intended to misinform or provoke a reaction?

pete1977

Lib dems.....in power

unclebuck

Do bears sh*t in the woods?

dsmith

??
= "NO"

= "YES"

fast bloke

So does that mean you are dropping Tony for mingin man now?

pslewis

Whats the problem

I express an opinion and some ***** jump down my neck!

Who on here would pay £2000 a year car tax to continue driving their chosen form of transport??

Plenty on here waste £1,000's 'tinkering' with their cars - I don't.

Plenty CHOOSE to pay £2000 for Insurance - I pay £300.

Some spend £100's on CockLinks and Gauges - I don't!

If I CHOOSE to spend £2000 on Car Tax thats MY CHOICE!!

So shut it!

FFS

Pete

fast bloke

Fair enough if you want to pay it, but to say it is excellent is somewhat misguided .... but then, we already know you are easily misguided, so nothing new here

Jamescsti

My only supprise is that Pete didn't start the thread, getting old Pete, getting old!

pslewis

Some say CockLinks are excellent - go jump down their throat ....... thats a voluntary waste of money!! Car Tax would be compulsory, only the amount would vary by choice!!

And who wouldn't want to be the only one on the roads in an Impreza Turbo??? Come on, admit it, it WOULD be excellent!!

Too many two-faces on here!!

Pete

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Lets face it there is more chance of labour being re-elected than the lib dems ever getting to power so relax

fast bloke

Pete - winning a million on the premium bonds is 'excellent' - giving whichever bunch of wasters that are currently destroying the country 2k a year in 'road tax' is hardly excellent...... oh hang on - they dont call it road tax any more..... same as unemployed people are not technically unemployed

pslewis

You're mixed up

Anyway - Labour are here to stay ........ did I hear you say "HOOOOORAY!!!"?

Pete

fast bloke

I'm mixed up?

I think not.... as already stated - you are misguided, and easily so.

pslewis

You're a super muppet ............. enough said, don't start trying to talk serious now!!

Did I hear you say, "It's a good job Labour are in power instead of the Liberals" ...... did I?????

Get back in the hutch .....

Pete

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Pete have you stolen matrons sherry gain? you know thats for xmas what will the rest of the old folks have to look forward to come xmas.

fast bloke

Erm - you heard me say "whichever bunch of wasters that are currently destroying the country" - If we look at the practical sense of the word now, the bunch of wasters we would be referring to would be New Liarbia. If we use the word now in the conceptual sense, such that it might be considered to be the 'now' implied by the concept that at some point in the future, 'now' might have a given set of circumstances where Lib Dems gets to run the country. I don't think Labia, Lib Dems or Tories are better or worse than each other...... they are all in it for themselves. When we get someone who is prepared to lead the country instead of milking the sweet jobs...... then maybe we will get a country back that we can be proud of

r32

Another spoiled thread .................. started off OK.

pslewis

Stop posting then ... your contributions are so negative that it brings the whole mood down - could I ask you NOT to post unless you have something POSITIVE to say??

What a wally!!

Pete

Miss Kinky

"Mr Huhne insisted the increase would not lead to motorists retaining dilapidated cars instead of replacing them."

i love my car - 1979 Cortina - certainly not dilapidated - and exempt from this silly idea

Daryl

My problem with the Lib Dems is that they come up with these stupid ideas in the first place, knowing full well that they are unacceptable to the electorate, but are guaranteed to receive widespread media coverage. What is the point?

Their MPs are elected by us in the hope that they will provide useful opposition to the excesses of the Government and take part in informed and sensible debate - but instead, they just spout nonsense.

Like pslewis, they are just fools, intent on making a public spectacle of themselves at every opportunity.

Brendan Hughes

Anyone who wants to see the facts (and then laugh at them ) can go to the LibDem website.

Here's the bit concerned:

"Reforming Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) on new cars purchased in future so that
it is much more sharply graduated according to CO2 emissions, with the most
emitting vehicles paying as much as £2000 per year. The new rate would
cover high emission vehicles (emitting more than 225 grammes of carbon per
kilometre) such as the BMW 7 series, Bentley Continental, and four by fours
like the Porsche Cayenne and BMW X3.

The proposal for a dramatically more progressive Vehicle Excise Duty will shift
patterns of car buying and tackle the source of greenhouse gases from
transport. Research from the Energy Savings Trust and the Department of
Transport shows that a top rate of £2000 a year would help change behaviour and cut CO2 emissions. At present nearly 200,000 cars – or some 8 per cent of the total – are sold in this category. If people choose to purchase the most polluting cars they must recognise the environmental cost.
Where the purchase of a new 4x4 is necessary, for example by a farmer,
options do exist that mean avoiding the top rate of VED. There are four by four working vehicles like the Land Rover Freelander that have lower emissions
than the top category, and would therefore avoid the full tax. This proposal is
aimed at Chelsea tractors, not vital rural vehicles for example the Land Rover
Freelander 4x4 2.0 Td4 Adventurer Estate (Diesel)- CO2(g/km) 205 and the
Subaru Forrester 4x4 (Diesel) C02 (g/km) 220."

Yes, the STi would be caught (230, 240, 260 IIRC?). I don't see a problem with that. I'm quite amused that they think a Freelander is a vital rural vehicle though , not sure I'd use something like that to tow a horsebox or boat.



The full doc is here: http://www.libdems.org.uk/media/docu...tch_180506.pdf . Though I'm sure you won't agree with the above, have a look at the last page, which gives a breakdown of all the different environmental tax revenue received.

speedking

But isn't a 240g/km vehicle exactly twice as polluting as a 120g/km vehicle, which therefore should pay £1000 pa VED What is the justification for the massive step change? If it is to impose a financial penalty, then that is already achieved by tax on fuel. Seems like mixed up thinking to me.

pslewis

To REMOVE them from the roads completely

Pete