paulr

Purely hypothetical question,if you told a manager to f-off how serious an offence is that, even if they were behaving completely unreasonably.

AudiLover

Its unreasonable behaviour to tell someone to **** off.

pslewis

Depends who else hears it ..........

Pete

Drunken Bungle Whore

Depends on lots of things - the manager, the situation, where it happened (at work or an office party?), were there witnesses, the company culture etc.

More info needed!

sti-04!!

How stressed the enviroment is.

It happens, has happened to me, as above also depends on the situation.

paulr

What were the circumstances?

vindaloo

Friend of a friend got the boot over a similar incident.

"Did you tell him to f-off?" - "Yes" - "well bye bye then, here are your cards"

A bit simplistic but you get the gist of it. Basically, don't admit it if you want to keep working there.

unclebuck

f**k off paulr

See, it's easy...

sti-04!!

We work in a high stressed enviroment so it was understandable, but we had a new £20 million piece of equipment that was being installed & it dropped a valve on test. The engineer on site required another engineer to help carry out the job, he contacted his controller who told him he was too busy to send someone. The engineer contacted the controllers manager, who in turn told him the same. So i got the phone call from a very irate customer, who wanted an explanation. We were at the time down 3 engineers, from 12, this put a massive strain on the guys. So i called them in & asked what was going on. Got the usual & then there was a slanging match.
I told them to get out, we all calmed down, i sorted the situation by pulling an engineer from another depot 300 miles away & i left it at that.
I then procceded to employ another controller to ease the workload



AND BREATH

mart360

Depends on the context in which it was used , was it personell, or justified,

I have many a professional disagreement at work, however it was between myself and a manager, both of equal footing, it wasnt personal, and we were both in a bar getting drunk following the open discussion.

however if it was a supervisor, or a shop floor employee, then thats a nono and even i would expect to get a discipinary should i ever do that.

Mart

sti-04!!

It wasnt justified, but i understood why it happened.

It wont happen again though

rr_ww

Once told my manager he was a "****ing *****" (about how he was singling my out over other people) to which he replied "Right your sacked, get out!"

So I just laughed put down what I was doing and started to lock my tools away. After a few minutes in the car Park later, he was trying to justify himself. So I told him "Look I dont care anymore you've just sacked me!"

He said "Well we all say things we dont mean in the heat of the moment"

I went back to work. I would probably advise you not to do that though, I was far more feisty on those days.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I used to do it all the time....

Note past tense

Apparition

Probably not as bad as telling a judge to f*** off....and thereby hangs another tale !
Yve

StickyMicky

i fired somebody for it......

little-ginge

Abusive/foul language directed at a superior, is taken that it undermines or irreparably damages the working relationship, effectively preventing it from continuing, and justifying disciplinary action. That said, such language is less likely to be tolerated from a senior executive than, say a shop-floor worker.

We had a guy who told one of the managers to F-off. He had been in a few minor 'situations' in the office previously, so HR were consulted. Next thing weknew he was being escorted by 2 security guards from the premises!!

Hypothetically speaking ( and dependent on the situation), the employee should be given the right to apologise - if it had happened in front of other employees, this may not be an open option to the employee!!

The situation should be assessed by an impartial person(HR rep or someone similar). Addressing the causes reveals the symptoms as to why the situation has occured, and ultimately things such as a breakdown in the working relationship is revealed. This can then be (hopefully) resolved.

Also, there may be extenuating circumstances as to why the employee reacted in the way he/she did, and these should be taken into considertation.

+Doc+

In any situation like this, the answer is simply "do a fightclub".

scunnered

iTrader: (1)

This is the way I'd do it.

I'd say to my manager "If I called you a fu**ing pr*ck, you'd have grounds to sack me, right".
To which he'd reply "yes, of course I would".
So, I'd then say, "If I just THOUGHT you were a fu**ing pr*ck there's nothing you could about it, right?"
He'd have to agree there.
So, I'd then say to him, " Well, I think you're a fu**ing pr*ck", and walk away before he has time to react.

Abdabz

At all the places I have worked (mainly blue chip jobbies) that would be classed as gross misconduct and could result in your dismissal. It may be that the context of where why and how you asid it may only result in a formal written warning, but its never the smartest career move.
I seriously want to beat my boss up but again I dont think I would get a promotion for doing so... Mind you I might gwt a pat on the back from my colleagues and many free drinks at my leaving do

Leslie

Its very bad mannered!

Les

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

classic

OllyK

Am lot depends on the manager, the circumstances and the working environment.

Used to work for a haulage firm and evey other word was a swear word and f*ck was used in place of commas. Being told to "f-off" was par for the course - it was the tone and attitude around it that would have lead to disciplinary action rather than the actual words.

sallyb555

I have a friend who works for a water company answering calls from gangs who go out to fix broken pipes etc. She has been caught several times swearing, most of them quite amusing, but has only ever had informal warnings. On one occassion she was overheard answering the phone 'hello motherf****r'!! . She has also been know to refer to the gangs as her 'bitches'
Finally she took a call from a higher manager and told him she though something was a bag of w**k. All very funny but I think she has been very lucky to keep her job!!!

speedking

I believe that it is quite common to swear at football managers

Ray_li

I called my manager a racist mother f**ker to his face. He didnt do anything.

BlkKnight

if you are fortunate to be given the opportunity to appologise, simply say

"I'm really sorry, please un-f!ck yourself"

oobster

In situations like this, I just think 'What would John Wayne do?'

Holy Ghost

i fired an account manager once for biting one of our designers on the nose at the christmas party. ironically his surname was savage.

what's your most bizarre reason for firing/being fired?

paulr

It seems it depends a lot on the environment,accounts office its a no-no,building site a maybe.

pete1977

Probably better than telling a customer to F off.I was only 17 and got sacked on the spot for telling an arsy customer to F off at Focus DIY ,best thing i ever done!