another injured in the line of duty
14 February 2006, 08:57 AM
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another injured in the line of duty
http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.asp...=5&ml=ma&lc=en
Once again another of our finest injured in the line of duty.
how many more have to die or be seriously injured before this lot in power wake up and do something, aside from the woefull knee jerk reaction to a previous event
Mart
Once again another of our finest injured in the line of duty.
how many more have to die or be seriously injured before this lot in power wake up and do something, aside from the woefull knee jerk reaction to a previous event
Mart
14 February 2006, 09:16 AM
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But they banned all firearms so how on earth can this happen?
How can criminals have got hold of firearms if they are banned, it is just not possible!
Perhaps this is some sort of Conservative trick and dig at Labours tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime soundbite.
Sympathies to the family of this brave woman.
Guns are a way of life for some or even a fashon accessory to others. Easy to buy easy to use.
Banning did nothing to the illegal arms trade. Shock horro - Criminals tends to operate outside the law so a ban meant nothing. Maybe someone should tell the government this but would there be any point
Guns easily bought into the UK by the same people who traffic people and drugs and maybe even terrorism.
Our borders and security are a joke and we are an island FFS!
Government needs to wake up to this, it is just putting two and two together and coming up with four nothing clever.
Better security
clamp down on the importers & trafficers and stiff sentences for this crime.
much tougher sentencing.
It seems the only people who do not have access to guns are the general law abiding public!
How can criminals have got hold of firearms if they are banned, it is just not possible!
Perhaps this is some sort of Conservative trick and dig at Labours tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime soundbite.
Sympathies to the family of this brave woman.
Guns are a way of life for some or even a fashon accessory to others. Easy to buy easy to use.
Banning did nothing to the illegal arms trade. Shock horro - Criminals tends to operate outside the law so a ban meant nothing. Maybe someone should tell the government this but would there be any point
Guns easily bought into the UK by the same people who traffic people and drugs and maybe even terrorism.
Our borders and security are a joke and we are an island FFS!
Government needs to wake up to this, it is just putting two and two together and coming up with four nothing clever.
Better security
clamp down on the importers & trafficers and stiff sentences for this crime.
much tougher sentencing.
It seems the only people who do not have access to guns are the general law abiding public!
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14 February 2006, 09:35 AM
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The criminal gang who shot her are probably used to lawlessness in their home country, and simply dont think anything about shooting her. 
As per usual they'll eventually find the killer, but simply give them a few years behind bars then theyre back on the streets.
They should be instantly deported on release - but no they cant be because they'll claim "political asylum" so cant be sent home incase they get hurt
As per usual they'll eventually find the killer, but simply give them a few years behind bars then theyre back on the streets.
They should be instantly deported on release - but no they cant be because they'll claim "political asylum" so cant be sent home incase they get hurt
14 February 2006, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
The criminal gang who shot her are probably used to lawlessness in their home country, and simply dont think anything about shooting her.
As per usual they'll eventually find the killer, but simply give them a few years behind bars then theyre back on the streets.
They should be instantly deported on release - but no they cant be because they'll claim "political asylum" so cant be sent home incase they get hurt
As per usual they'll eventually find the killer, but simply give them a few years behind bars then theyre back on the streets.
They should be instantly deported on release - but no they cant be because they'll claim "political asylum" so cant be sent home incase they get hurt
14 February 2006, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
????? Is there something you know that the police and media don't? I don't see ANY reference to the origin of the suspects whatsoever.
14 February 2006, 10:41 AM
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Exactly, which is always a sure-fire bet that theyre black or asian. If they were white the Police would instantly release details of the suspects - if they arent then its considered un-PC so they'll quietly release details at a later date..
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14 February 2006, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Don't forget we are now overrun by Eastern Europeans as well who enjoy doing this sort of stuff.
It is a serious subject - Police woman was seriously injured in the line of duty. Lets not cheapen that.
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14 February 2006, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Exactly, which is always a sure-fire bet that theyre black or asian. If they were white the Police would instantly release details of the suspects - if they arent then its considered un-PC so they'll quietly release details at a later date..
Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Don't forget we are now overrun by Eastern Europeans as well who enjoy doing this sort of stuff.
Maybe it could just be that they don't know yet one way or another. You chaps on the other hand have already come to your own conclusions.
14 February 2006, 11:35 AM
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I moved away from Lenton about 4 months ago and lived less than a minute away from the shooting ( behind the old raleigh factory ), have now moved into the center of Notts. I used to walk home after work 11pm and i wouldnt describe the area as bad ( well not by Nottingham standards !), its a fairly lively student area. Gun crime in notts seems to becoming an every day occurrence.
14 February 2006, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
The criminal gang who shot her are probably used to lawlessness in their home country, and simply dont think anything about shooting her.
As per usual they'll eventually find the killer, but simply give them a few years behind bars then theyre back on the streets.
They should be instantly deported on release - but no they cant be because they'll claim "political asylum" so cant be sent home incase they get hurt
As per usual they'll eventually find the killer, but simply give them a few years behind bars then theyre back on the streets.
They should be instantly deported on release - but no they cant be because they'll claim "political asylum" so cant be sent home incase they get hurt
I'm sorry, but I missed the point in that story which said the shooter was foreign? Even by SN standards, blaming it on immigrants by post #3 is pretty good.
And for the last ****ing time, the law brought in after Dunblane was NOT intended to get guns off the street, it was intended to prevent "spree" shootings - which this was not.
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14 February 2006, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
And for the last ****ing time, the law brought in after Dunblane was NOT intended to get guns off the street, it was intended to prevent "spree" shootings - which this was not.
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Little has really been done to prevent firarms beigb bougfht into and used in this country by criminals either. This is not aimed at the Police BTW!
14 February 2006, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
I'm sorry, but I missed the point in that story which said the shooter was foreign? Even by SN standards, blaming it on immigrants by post #3 is pretty good.
And for the last ****ing time, the law brought in after Dunblane was NOT intended to get guns off the street, it was intended to prevent "spree" shootings - which this was not.
M
And for the last ****ing time, the law brought in after Dunblane was NOT intended to get guns off the street, it was intended to prevent "spree" shootings - which this was not.
M
Prehaps some effective detterants would have or could have gone some way to address the situation,
one one hand I can see the tragicness of the situation, a serving officer is shot on a routine call, yet 7 days earlier a potential bomber is on the streets and not a thing done to stop him.
we really have lost all sense of what is acceptable risk
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14 February 2006, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
I'm sorry, but I missed the point in that story which said the shooter was foreign? Even by SN standards, blaming it on immigrants by post #3 is pretty good.
And the majority of illegal firearms come in from Eastern Europe (Old Yugoslavia etc)
14 February 2006, 10:19 PM
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Its a shame this kind of thing happens, but I dont think arming all police with guns is the answer. Not all burglars carry guns I'm sure. Arming police with guns as standard is sure to do only one thing, make sure ALL criminals also carry a gun.
As some rightly pointed out, you will never stamp out this sort of crime. Sad fact of the matter is there will always be someone who gets shot in some crime at some time. What I find disturbing is the fact that the law doesn't seem to want to protect the people in their homes etc, if someone breaks in my car or house I have no right to bat them round the head should I feel brave enough to do it.
What is likely to happen is I get sued by the person entering my property illegally. The worlds going mad!
Pity about the earlier racial comments despite no evidence pointing to the colour or race of the perp or perps. Its people who come out with those types of comments who are fueling all the racial hatred recently.
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As some rightly pointed out, you will never stamp out this sort of crime. Sad fact of the matter is there will always be someone who gets shot in some crime at some time. What I find disturbing is the fact that the law doesn't seem to want to protect the people in their homes etc, if someone breaks in my car or house I have no right to bat them round the head should I feel brave enough to do it.
What is likely to happen is I get sued by the person entering my property illegally. The worlds going mad!
Pity about the earlier racial comments despite no evidence pointing to the colour or race of the perp or perps. Its people who come out with those types of comments who are fueling all the racial hatred recently.
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14 February 2006, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by budgie55
Pity about the earlier racial comments despite no evidence pointing to the colour or race of the perp or perps. Its people who come out with those types of comments who are fueling all the racial hatred recently.
Allan
unfortunatly those comments you refer to are sadly becomming the norm.
lets face it i dont think the UK would have naturally developed into a gangsta culture or start to look at our newer members if there wasnt some fuel behind it.
Like it or not we have started to see some of the problems endemic to other nations, arriving here, what is lacking is the response from our incumbent gov, to do anything effective about it.
if i recall we are one of the last countrys to have armed police, unfortunatly non lethal weps are just that, its like going up against a tank and pointing your fingers and going bang bang. they fire real rounds!!
prehaps now is the time to remove the gloves and call it straight.
tell people, if you go armed, you are a legitimate target and will be subject to lethal force.
and give some effective sentancing to those who do go armed. 5 years, you get more for rape ffs
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15 February 2006, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
True, but certain crimes have "footprints" that would allow you to make an educated guess as to who was behind it. An overwhelming majority of gun-crime in the UK is done by the black community (http://www.met.police.uk/trident/index.htm)
And the majority of illegal firearms come in from Eastern Europe (Old Yugoslavia etc)
And the majority of illegal firearms come in from Eastern Europe (Old Yugoslavia etc)
So the majority of gun crime in London being committed by blacks means a shooting in Nottingham must have been committed by one? That's your logic? No, you are still making racist assumptions. The shooter might well be black, but might equally be white or Indian. They might be ex-Eastern Bloc, or they might be a fully paid up member of the BNP. Until we find out, assuming the nationality/ethnic background of the perp on the basis of a simplified set of statistics is at best silly.
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15 February 2006, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
So the majority of gun crime in London being committed by blacks means a shooting in Nottingham must have been committed by one? That's your logic? No, you are still making racist assumptions. The shooter might well be black, but might equally be white or Indian. They might be ex-Eastern Bloc, or they might be a fully paid up member of the BNP. Until we find out, assuming the nationality/ethnic background of the perp on the basis of a simplified set of statistics is at best silly.
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15 February 2006, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
chances are its not a white, taxpaying, middle aged family man though...!!!
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chances are its not an asian, taxpaying, middle aged family man though...!!!
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15 February 2006, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
So the majority of gun crime in London being committed by blacks means a shooting in Nottingham must have been committed by one? That's your logic? No, you are still making racist assumptions.
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15 February 2006, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Sherwen
chances are its not a black, taxpaying, middle aged family man though...!!!
or
chances are its not an asian, taxpaying, middle aged family man though...!!!
Steve
or
chances are its not an asian, taxpaying, middle aged family man though...!!!
Steve
what are the chances that its immigrants or something to do with the 'gangsta' culture thats developing in this country...as disturbing as it is, i sincerely hope it wasnt an ordinary burglar...how scary is it to think your average burglar is going equipped with a firearm...???
15 February 2006, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
fair point, and i accept that...all ill say is that would anyone be surprised if this/these indivduals are not of white, british descent...?
what are the chances that its immigrants or something to do with the 'gangsta' culture thats developing in this country...as disturbing as it is, i sincerely hope it wasnt an ordinary burglar...how scary is it to think your average burglar is going equipped with a firearm...???
what are the chances that its immigrants or something to do with the 'gangsta' culture thats developing in this country...as disturbing as it is, i sincerely hope it wasnt an ordinary burglar...how scary is it to think your average burglar is going equipped with a firearm...???
The fact is, we don't know what race/ethnic background etc. the perpetrator was. You can make assumptions all you like but what's the point?
15 February 2006, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
If he had a gun then he wouldn't be an 'ordinary burglar'. I hope you're not insinuating that white burglars are 'ordinary burglars' and non-whites are the gun weilding ganster. As you can see, you're leading yourself open to mis-interpretation
The fact is, we don't know what race/ethnic background etc. the perpetrator was. You can make assumptions all you like but what's the point?
The fact is, we don't know what race/ethnic background etc. the perpetrator was. You can make assumptions all you like but what's the point?
and yeah, i admit i might be making massive presumptions which i try normally to avoid, but the level of crime in this country is just p*ssing me right off at the moment...and i guarantee this, deport every single immigrant, and youd reduce crime in the uk dramatically...
just leaves us to deal with our own scumbags then...
15 February 2006, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
and yeah, i admit i might be making massive presumptions which i try normally to avoid, but the level of crime in this country is just p*ssing me right off at the moment...and i guarantee this, deport every single immigrant, and youd reduce crime in the uk dramatically...
15 February 2006, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Deport every 'non'-immigrants and you'll see even greater crime reduction!
i know what youre trying to say...and ive stated on similar threads that ive got no issue whatsoever with any legal immigrants that make a significant, legal contribution to the nation...
of course we have more scumbags than immigrants here, and they need dealing with also...but if were going to have a criminal element, at least let them be reasonably indigenous...
15 February 2006, 10:49 PM
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This really is bad news, looking at the picture of her she looks really young.
The usual knee jerk reactions have come out again about arming all cops but this will never happen, the furthest i can ever see them going is issuing tasers to all and i think thats still a way off. Too many 'innocent' people complaining about getting CS gassed while getting arrested, or getting batoned whilst 'innocently' going about their business.
The sad fact is that even if she was carrying a sidearm she wouldn't have, a. had cause to draw as it was just a normal routine stop, or b. had time to draw and fire a round fast enough (for an example we fire one round from the holster in our training and get 3 seconds and thats quite tight).
So it's less about arming more cops and more about giving them protection that works (body armour that covers bits that need covering) and letting those of us who can really get into those carrying, dealing in and using firearms with the speed and force neccessary.
Best thing you can do?
Support us when we go after these people.
My best wishes go to out to both her and her family.
Chris.
The usual knee jerk reactions have come out again about arming all cops but this will never happen, the furthest i can ever see them going is issuing tasers to all and i think thats still a way off. Too many 'innocent' people complaining about getting CS gassed while getting arrested, or getting batoned whilst 'innocently' going about their business.
The sad fact is that even if she was carrying a sidearm she wouldn't have, a. had cause to draw as it was just a normal routine stop, or b. had time to draw and fire a round fast enough (for an example we fire one round from the holster in our training and get 3 seconds and thats quite tight).
So it's less about arming more cops and more about giving them protection that works (body armour that covers bits that need covering) and letting those of us who can really get into those carrying, dealing in and using firearms with the speed and force neccessary.
Best thing you can do?
Support us when we go after these people.
My best wishes go to out to both her and her family.
Chris.
15 February 2006, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris5-0
This really is bad news, looking at the picture of her she looks really young.
The usual knee jerk reactions have come out again about arming all cops but this will never happen, the furthest i can ever see them going is issuing tasers to all and i think thats still a way off. Too many 'innocent' people complaining about getting CS gassed while getting arrested, or getting batoned whilst 'innocently' going about their business.
The sad fact is that even if she was carrying a sidearm she wouldn't have, a. had cause to draw as it was just a normal routine stop, or b. had time to draw and fire a round fast enough (for an example we fire one round from the holster in our training and get 3 seconds and thats quite tight).
So it's less about arming more cops and more about giving them protection that works (body armour that covers bits that need covering) and letting those of us who can really get into those carrying, dealing in and using firearms with the speed and force neccessary.
Best thing you can do?
Support us when we go after these people.
My best wishes go to out to both her and her family.
Chris.
The usual knee jerk reactions have come out again about arming all cops but this will never happen, the furthest i can ever see them going is issuing tasers to all and i think thats still a way off. Too many 'innocent' people complaining about getting CS gassed while getting arrested, or getting batoned whilst 'innocently' going about their business.
The sad fact is that even if she was carrying a sidearm she wouldn't have, a. had cause to draw as it was just a normal routine stop, or b. had time to draw and fire a round fast enough (for an example we fire one round from the holster in our training and get 3 seconds and thats quite tight).
So it's less about arming more cops and more about giving them protection that works (body armour that covers bits that need covering) and letting those of us who can really get into those carrying, dealing in and using firearms with the speed and force neccessary.
Best thing you can do?
Support us when we go after these people.
My best wishes go to out to both her and her family.
Chris.
lets try a deal,
we,ll give you support , but anyone who gets caught by the homeowner burglarising, is fair game for whatever force they use.
and silly nicking of victims cos the wussy crim says so stops!!
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15 February 2006, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
but if were going to have a criminal element, at least let them be reasonably indigenous...
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