Puff The Magic Wagon!

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So in order for those of you who agree with this approach, write or email your MP asking him/her to vote in favour.

As far as I am concerned, people can smoke themselves to their early grave in the privacy of their own home but I cannot go to a pub without having to endure the frankly disgusting atmosphere of other smokers polluting the air. Then when I do go home, I and my clothes reek of cigarette smoke

If smokers need to be selfish then, as I said, privacy of their own homes where I don't give a to$$. Pubs in Ireland are a pleasure to go in, so in order to get the same over here, I'll be emailing my MP.

Please do the same if you agree with my sentiment.

OllyK

But it isn't selfish of the anti-smokers to impose their will on others??

suprabeast

i wish they'd just get on with it and either ban it or not... sick of hearing about it.

Its lucky the rest of the business world doesnt take this long to make decisions or we'd be back in the stoneage still

darts_aint_sport

Selfish but not a health-risk. Most people given the choice (which the majority of people don't have at the moment) don't want to be breathing in carcinogens, if that's selfish then good.

Dream Weaver

Not this one again.

They should either ban it outright, or leave it as is, I'd prefer it to be banned full stop as that would help me to quit

I dont see why it should be banned in social places, but they still cream the tax money for the NHS, so it should be one or the other.

richs2891

As a non smoker why should I endure someone elses disgusting second hand smoke ? I fully support the ban of smoking of Pubs and public places.
Disgusting habit, especially with all the idiots that insist on flicking their cig ends everywhere.
What really makes me laugh / cringe is parents that smoke near babies / young children, selfish idiots IMHO.
Richard

suprabeast

i like the second hand smoke.... especially on a cold morning standing outside with a coffee.... mmmmm

Crazy Chick

I'm not a smoker but have you ever thought about giving up drinking?

That way you wouldn't have to go to the pub.

OllyK

I see, so all the anti-smokers are being shipped in to smoking only pubs at gun point?

I don't smoke, although it doesn't unduely bother me. My partner is Asthmatic and it does bother her. We have found a pub locally with a non-smoking lounge. We can socialise, have a drink etc and not be affected. The smokers in the bar can smoke away to their heart's content.

The problem is the anti-smoking brigade are too idle to find such pubs and demand they should be able to go in to any room in any and all pubs and find them smoke free just to suit them.

It has been voulantary for pubs to enforce their own no-smoking areas or to be entirely non-smoking for long enough, if you claim you can't find these pubs then that suggests to me that you and others like you can't be sufficiently bothered to air your views and encourage your pub to provide the failities you want, instead you'd rather be selfish and deprive others of the facilities they desire just so you can be assured all pubs are as you want them, whether you intend to use them or not.

OllyK

See my later post - you are not forced to endure, there are non-smoking pubs and rooms about - you just have to get off your *** and find them.

JackClark

I have no problem with smoking outside pubs - a little roof to shelter if it's raining would be nice - it makes smoking more of an occasion.

OllyK

The ONLY place I have issue with smoking is in my home. Anywhere else I can just move and avoid it if it bothers me.

Crazy Chick

Exactly - you come to my house, you smoke in the garden.

davegtt

What about those who want to go for a simple game of snooker for a couple of hours yet even having put through breathing in the disgusting fumes I have to go home and get changed as I stink and sitting in my front room nowhere near the misses she can smell it too....

Crazy Chick

In a way I do think it would be a good idea to ban smoking in pubs as a whole, especially as the majority of pubs now serve food. There's nothing worse than sitting down to eat and having someone on the table next to you light up.

Failing that the pubs should revert to what they were originally - somewhere to go for a drink and a game of pool etc, without having to go home at the end of the night stinking of chips.

OllyK

You go in to a place that you know's allows smoking and then you bitch about it?? It's like going to Silverstone and complaining there are cars going round the track spoiling your viewing pleasure of the tarmac.

Find a pub / snooker hall that provides non-smoking facilities. If you can't find one, speak to the management about whether they would be prepared to provide suitable facilities for you. If you haven't voiced your opinion to the snooker halls / pubs then how can you complain they are not meeting your requirements?

richs2891

Well call me selfish but I'm quite happy to deprive someone of their smoking habit, purely because regarless of the so called non smoking rooms, the smoke still drifts in (ok a lot of it is to due to poor air circulation) my clothes still have the horrible smoking smell, and I still get my eye streaming from the smoke !
So I'm selfish - just like the goverment that want to get all of us on public transport !
Richard

davegtt

lol your having a laugh now arnt you. There are 2 snooker halls in my town. Neither will ban smoking and will probably laugh at me for suggesting it. Plus my friend who I snooker with is a smoker and wouldnt be happy about me asking for it too be banned....

Let me guess, your gonna tell me to find new friends now arnt you?

OllyK

If people were that bothered about smoking in pubs, they'd vote with their feet and not go to them and more pubs would provide smoke free facilities to entice them back.

As I say, there are pubs with non-smoking rooms that can be used. The fact that the anti-smokers continue to go in to smoking pubs and then bitch about it despite this suggest to me that they are the selfish ones not the smokers.

stormyuklondon1

you come to my house, you dont smoke anywhere. it keeps the ***** relatives i dont like away

OllyK

And they are not likely to either while you keep frequenting them. If 70% of the people out there really are bothered about smoking and they stopped using the snooker hall and made it clear why, what do you think they'd do? They'd either provide facilities for you or ban smoking as they couldn't afford to loose 70% of their business.

Well you choose you're friends. they aren't forced on you.

Reality

Move to Scotland.

Ban comes in in March .

Can't wait

davegtt

Olly, but what if there is a group of 5 of you, say 2 of you smoke and 3 dont, do we all seperate and not be friends because some have a habit others dont like? Not as simple.

Do you ever go to the pub? or a social place like a snooker hall? thats probably why it doesnt effect you cause you avoid it all together by being a hermit

OllyK

I look forward to the government further reducing freedom of choice and restricting freedom of speech in this country and seeing you say you don't mind when they next pick on something you want to do and threaten to ban it or restrict it.

TelBoy

loose you're

Why is your spelling SO bad??

Crazy Chick

Hey - I ain't bitching. It doesn't bother me in the slightest if people smoke around me - if I don't like it I move away from them.

davegtt

But its the same as petrol prices, everyone moans about that, are you going to do a boycott on your own are you and not drive your car for a whole month and see if it makes a difference?

If I stop going to the snooker hall in protest it wont make a blind bit of difference will it... Others will still go and the only person being punished is myself not being able to play snooker and socialise with friends.

richs2891

And smokers are been kind by stinking up the atmosphere and making people eye water, and making other clothes smell?
And if a (presume can't say tramp these days), so homeless persion, smelling badly due to unwashed etc, and spiting at people, do you think that the average landlord would allow them to stay ?
I know that smokers and non smokers are not going to agree about their habit and it would be boring if everyone agreed, but I feel that many (please note many and not all) smokers need to be more aware of their habit and its impact on others.
And IMHO the quicker they ban it in public places the better !
Richard

OllyK

That depends on you and the friendship. Are you prepared to overlook your friends habits (whatever they may be) and accept them for what they are, or are you going to try and force them to be a clone of you?

If you expressed your concerns about smoking to them and there were non smoking facilities, do you think they'd be prepared to use those to ensure you were happy but then you nip out now and again to smoke?

It's about compromise, meeting people half way rather than one group saying we have to win regardless of your feelings. It's called "win-loose" in sales and it is not the most productive way to do things - always seek the "win-win".

Nice to see you read my earlier posts. We go to a pub that has non-smoking facilities due to my partner being Asthmatic. We also go to a private members club that is non-smoking. So no I don't find things a problem as they are, but then we made the effort to find the facilities we wanted rather expecting ALL facilities to meet our needs regardless of the current users.

lucylastic

Struggling to understand your analogy, and how do you spite at someone?
Presume you mean spit, therefore spitting, but what has that got to do with a smoker?