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Old 16 August 2005, 12:43 PM
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Unhappy Not another plane !

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...,00.html?f=dta

A plane carrying 152 passengers has crashed in western Venezuela.
Old 16 August 2005, 12:47 PM
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Jees!!! Not looking god
Old 16 August 2005, 01:01 PM
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West Caribbean Airways aircraft flying between Panama and Martinica. Crew reported engine trouble.

A quick search suggests that the aircraft is likely to be either a MD-81 or MD-82. Not a good week for air travel
Old 16 August 2005, 01:03 PM
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nasty stuff, my g/f is flying to france soon....woo.... hoo
Old 16 August 2005, 01:04 PM
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Fingers crossed for the folks on board.

Hope these things don't happen in 3's, I'm flying on sunday.
Old 16 August 2005, 01:36 PM
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Great. Another opportunity for the online experts to wildly speculate as to the cause of the accident without little or no knowledge about aviation.
Old 16 August 2005, 01:45 PM
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According to BBC, ATC lost communication after the pilots reported engine problems.

Speculate on that

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4156224.stm
Old 16 August 2005, 01:53 PM
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without little or no knowledge about aviation.
Surely that makes them more qualified to make a comment?

Old 16 August 2005, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Great. Another opportunity for the online experts to wildly speculate as to the cause of the accident without little or no knowledge about aviation.
How about those of us who do actually have some knowlege about aviation, is it ok if we speculate?
Old 16 August 2005, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Iwan
How about those of us who do actually have some knowlege about aviation, is it ok if we speculate?
Stop letting the facts get in the way of good conjecture
Old 16 August 2005, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Iwan
How about those of us who do actually have some knowlege about aviation, is it ok if we speculate?
Are you a pilot? Work for ATC? Or perhaps a PPL passing himself off as an expert?
Old 16 August 2005, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Are you a pilot? Work for ATC? Or perhaps a PPL passing himself off as an expert?
I said 'some' knowledge, I wouldn't class myself as an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I know a bit about anoxia though, which is why I mentioned it in the other thread.
Old 16 August 2005, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Great. Another opportunity for the online experts to wildly speculate as to the cause of the accident without little or no knowledge about aviation.
Of course people will speculate, it's part and parcel of discussion forums.

Last edited by G-STAR; 16 August 2005 at 02:18 PM.
Old 16 August 2005, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Iwan
I said 'some' knowledge, I wouldn't class myself as an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I know a bit about anoxia though, which is why I mentioned it in the other thread.
Well, I have a fair bit more knowledge than most on here and I have to say I'm so far from being qualified to speculate that it makes me laugh when I see the self appointed experts going to town on something they know nothing about. It's bad enough when Sky trots out it's panel of experts who are completely clueless and make such basic assumptive errors that you wonder if they've ever flown at all.
Old 16 August 2005, 02:19 PM
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Terribly sorry if I upset you with my limited knowledge of aviation Flat Cap Driver.

Les
Old 16 August 2005, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Well, I have a fair bit more knowledge than most on here and I have to say I'm so far from being qualified to speculate that it makes me laugh when I see the self appointed experts going to town on something they know nothing about. It's bad enough when Sky trots out it's panel of experts who are completely clueless and make such basic assumptive errors that you wonder if they've ever flown at all.
Fair comment I guess.
Old 16 August 2005, 02:28 PM
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Sounds like an iffy rudder to me
Old 16 August 2005, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Terribly sorry if I upset you with my limited knowledge of aviation Flat Cap Driver.

Les
Les, you know damn well I wasn't referring to you.
Old 16 August 2005, 02:37 PM
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So whats your occupation FCD ??
Old 16 August 2005, 02:40 PM
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Sales Manager. Why?
Old 16 August 2005, 02:42 PM
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Fair enough FCD.

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Old 16 August 2005, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Sales Manager. Why?
So your not employed as the oracle of aviation ??
Old 16 August 2005, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by john sugar
So your not employed as the oracle of aviation ??
Nope, and I don't pretend to be. PPL + IMC+ ME (550TT) and halfway through a fATPL means that I know enough not to speculate on something in which I have insufficient knowledge.
Old 16 August 2005, 02:49 PM
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Oh well done then !
What flight sims do you play ?? I am interested in learning how to fly a plane
Old 16 August 2005, 02:55 PM
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That's two crashes on almost opposite sides of the world. Accidents happen I'm afraid, but the chances of your plane crashing are still incredibly small.

If you chose to sit inside a 500mph aluminium tube @ 33,000 ft there's bound to be some risk involved.

How many car crashes do you reckon has happened throughout the world in the past 48hrs? I'd be more worried about driving home from work tonight if I were you.
Old 16 August 2005, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ozzy
That's two crashes on almost opposite sides of the world. Accidents happen I'm afraid, but the chances of your plane crashing are still incredibly small.

If you chose to sit inside a 500mph aluminium tube @ 33,000 ft there's bound to be some risk involved.

How many car crashes do you reckon has happened throughout the world in the past 48hrs? I'd be more worried about driving home from work tonight if I were you.
LOL I keep telling myself that but with flying in the v. near future it doesn't help so much

And then i saw this about 10 mins ago

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...,00.html?f=dta
Old 16 August 2005, 03:24 PM
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Life's a risky business and there's no point worrying about everything you read.
Old 16 August 2005, 03:45 PM
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..except safety procedures on a plane, perhaps

Flying to Ibiza on Friday, if I make it I think I'll celebrate a bit
Old 16 August 2005, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Nope, and I don't pretend to be. PPL + IMC+ ME (550TT) and halfway through a fATPL means that I know enough not to speculate on something in which I have insufficient knowledge.
But you have to admit that initially it sounds like a sequential catastrophic failure of the port and starboard gyroscopic squib bearings, in that order, leading to the subsequent failure of the thrust tubes.
Old 16 August 2005, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
But you have to admit that initially it sounds like a sequential catastrophic failure of the port and starboard gyroscopic squib bearings, in that order, leading to the subsequent failure of the thrust tubes.

Bet the families of the poor people who died a laughing their asses of at that one!

IMHO - SN alway has been a place for speculation by those in the know and people who do not, nothing much wrong with that just the same comments and converstions going on as in offices pubs and clubs alll over the place just not face to face.
I chose not to express an opinion on why on this or the Helios plane which came down as i did not have enough info or knowlegde to do so. Don't read it if you do not like it are my thoughts and a slong as it does not libel or cause offence then so be it.



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