Moon Landings.....HOAX??????
16 June 2005, 07:53 PM
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Moon Landings.....HOAX??????
Did the yanks really go to the moon or not..???
Can all the moon landing pic theories about shadows and blast patterns etc etc easily be explained away?
Personally i dont believe anything any yank has ever said!!!!
Can all the moon landing pic theories about shadows and blast patterns etc etc easily be explained away?
Personally i dont believe anything any yank has ever said!!!!
16 June 2005, 08:06 PM
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I used to love the idea of it all being hoaxed but after seeing a programme the other day offering unbiased evidence for both sides I have to say the hoax theorists' arguments were blown right out of the water.
16 June 2005, 08:21 PM
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Saw the same programme........hoax theories are like conspiracy theories..total rubbish. It's always far easier to do something than create an elaborate hoax.
I dare say some people still think the earth is flat
I dare say some people still think the earth is flat
16 June 2005, 08:24 PM
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Ok...
A couple of the arguments pro and against a hoax..
The flag was lit regardless of which side of the flag the photo's were taken. This suggests studio lighting was used and moved around to follow the astronauts movements.
In reality a single light source (in this case the sun but for tests a big halogen lamp) illuminates one side of the flag as expected but also shines through the material and gives the effect of illumination from the other side.
In none of the photo's are any stars visible, despite there being no cloud cover and no light pollution on the moon.
Although the stars are visible to the naked eye the light from them is not strong enough to become exposed on the camera film when a stronger light source is present. This was proved with photo's taken in the desert at night with a halogen source behind the camera.
The ground under the lander (Eagle) doesn't show signs of blast damage despite the rockets the lander used to control its descent.
The thrusters were actually hardly used in the final descent and also in the wider shots of the landing vehicle there are scorch marks clearly visible but they show the lander drifted almost horizontally into position rather than dead vertically as one would imagine from seeing sci-fi films.
The flag sways despite there being no wind.
The flag is mounted on a whippy aluminium pole. The movement in the flag is simply the harmonic vibration of the pole after it was rammed into the ground. The less dense atmosphere reduces the natural damping of the vibration to such a point that the slow rate is almost imperceptible.
That's a few for starters.
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Adding: those are all my own words so they may not be all the right words
A couple of the arguments pro and against a hoax..
The flag was lit regardless of which side of the flag the photo's were taken. This suggests studio lighting was used and moved around to follow the astronauts movements.
In reality a single light source (in this case the sun but for tests a big halogen lamp) illuminates one side of the flag as expected but also shines through the material and gives the effect of illumination from the other side.
In none of the photo's are any stars visible, despite there being no cloud cover and no light pollution on the moon.
Although the stars are visible to the naked eye the light from them is not strong enough to become exposed on the camera film when a stronger light source is present. This was proved with photo's taken in the desert at night with a halogen source behind the camera.
The ground under the lander (Eagle) doesn't show signs of blast damage despite the rockets the lander used to control its descent.
The thrusters were actually hardly used in the final descent and also in the wider shots of the landing vehicle there are scorch marks clearly visible but they show the lander drifted almost horizontally into position rather than dead vertically as one would imagine from seeing sci-fi films.
The flag sways despite there being no wind.
The flag is mounted on a whippy aluminium pole. The movement in the flag is simply the harmonic vibration of the pole after it was rammed into the ground. The less dense atmosphere reduces the natural damping of the vibration to such a point that the slow rate is almost imperceptible.
That's a few for starters.
Ray
Adding: those are all my own words so they may not be all the right words
16 June 2005, 08:29 PM
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NASA actually wrote a book that completely and thoroughly in great detail blows out the water every conspiracy theory. It was not released in the end though as they decided that to release the book would be giving credit to and acknowledging the conspiracy theories which would be disrecpectful to all the people who worked on the apollo project, esp those astranauts and others who risked their lives.
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16 June 2005, 08:41 PM
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They brought back loads of samples of basalt rock from the moon which has a completely different chemical/isotopic signature from any basalt found anywhere on the Earth. Tons of important research has been generated from it. This would not have been possible to fake.
16 June 2005, 08:45 PM
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What freaks me out a bit whenever I think about it, is that nobody has walked on the moon during my lifetime - it was all done before I was even born. I'm 30.
16 June 2005, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
What freaks me out a bit whenever I think about it, is that nobody has walked on the moon during my lifetime - it was all done before I was even born. I'm 30.
16 June 2005, 08:54 PM
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It's quite depressing to think that my parents generation watched things on TV like the first moon landings, MLK's i have a dream speech, England winning the world cup etc and we get to see things like aeroplanes crashing into buildings, our forces invading other countries, and millions of children starving to death while some aging rock star tries to make himself a bit more famous to try to stop it 
16 June 2005, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
What freaks me out a bit whenever I think about it, is that nobody has walked on the moon during my lifetime - it was all done before I was even born. I'm 30.
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16 June 2005, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
We had Napalmed children running with their skin hanging off, the starving in Biafra... 
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Fall of the Berlin wall?
Two sides meeting under the Channel? (Yeah, that's debatable if it's positive...)
Tony Blair getting re-elected?
The French voting Non?
Two sides meeting under the Channel? (Yeah, that's debatable if it's positive...)
Tony Blair getting re-elected?
The French voting Non?
16 June 2005, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
What freaks me out a bit whenever I think about it, is that nobody has walked on the moon during my lifetime - it was all done before I was even born. I'm 30.
I think we went there (well, USA did) but I dont think the photos are real.
I'm amazed that they managed to broadcast it on telly then.
16 June 2005, 10:44 PM
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16 June 2005, 10:48 PM
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http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/i...ard/moon01.htm - This is quite good.
And this http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~akapadia/moon.html
And this http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~akapadia/moon.html
16 June 2005, 11:06 PM
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You know something ? Reading this thread has just made me realise how very special my life has been so far. I got to see all this history in the making, totally took it for granted until now. You guys have just opened my eyes. Thanks.
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16 June 2005, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Granted, there's only one Moon Landing, but there are thousands of events on the scale of significance of MLK's speech.
17 June 2005, 11:09 AM
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Seen all the shows and read all the parafanalia and still inconclusive... So I remain comfortable with the belief that they didnt.
17 June 2005, 11:52 AM
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http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/i...ard/moon01.htm - This is quite good.
And this http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~akapadia/moon.html
And this http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~akapadia/moon.html
2nd one make me chuckle!
I like to think they did go to the moon......one day I guess we will know for sure!
17 June 2005, 11:59 AM
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Berlin wall comes close i guess...
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The most comprehensive and unbiased rubbishing of the conspiracy I have yet to see.
I can't imagine many people with even a simple grasp of the mechanics of what they talk about would give any credence to the conspiracy after reading all of that site.
Geezer
I can't imagine many people with even a simple grasp of the mechanics of what they talk about would give any credence to the conspiracy after reading all of that site.
Geezer