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Old 18 March 2005, 10:58 AM
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Default TV Question 50hz or 100hz

One for the TV 'buffs'....

Just finished setting up the kids playroom and looking to put a 28" WS TV in there. Now this TV will primarily be used for Xbox, PS2, Gamecube and the odd DVD movie.....

Will I see/get any genuine benefit with a 100hz TV over a 50hz TV ??

I can get a semi decent ( I think ) Panasonic/Toshiba/JVC 50hz for under £300.... 100hz and you start going up to the £400+ bracket !

Cheers in advance...
Old 18 March 2005, 10:59 AM
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Well I'm bound to be proved wrong in a minute but I'm sure PS2's and XBoxes operate at an optimum of 60hz..

I read that somewhere I think
Old 18 March 2005, 11:15 AM
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if its for the kids & mainly a games tv why not save your cash & get a £170 widescreen from tesco's or any other of the like? We brought one a 18 months ago (£199 then) & it's fine
Old 18 March 2005, 11:17 AM
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The 100hz flickers less, as the phosphor is refershed twice as much, so the intensity is more consistent to the naked eye and flicker is less noticable, this is especially advantageous on large TVs (28" and larger).

Some people will say there is no advantage as they often get confused with the input signal which is always PAL frequency - 50hz - being interlaced, that is 25 full frames or 50 full fields/half frames a second. This is the Frame Rate, NOT the amount of times the picture is scanned on the screen. Simply put, on a 100hz TV the same frame is displayed twice instead of once on a 50hz TV.

The biggest disadvantage, is with cheap 100hz CRT TV's suffereing from residual memory, where if a bright scene suddenly drops to a dark scene, the image of the bright scene is still visible (very noticable in a dark room). But this can affect 50hz TVs too, but low end market 100hz CRT TVs seem more prone. Also, on cheap 100hz TV's OSD (on screen displays) can still flicker.

Jumping from 50 to 100hz TV, you'll probably won't notice the difference in flicker. But go from a 100 to a 50hz and you can't help but notice (especially on large TVs).

But if it's for the kids...sod 'em - give them the 50hz

If its for bootleg games or DVD's, maybe an idea to get a NTSC compatible TV which will support a 60hz input signal

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Old 18 March 2005, 11:37 AM
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100Hz is digitally enhanced and shows up any imperfections in the source. I looked at a £900 Sony 32" 100Hz and hated it. I was a nightmare on TV broadcasts.

Friend has a 50Hz Sony and I can't see any flicker, except on stationary captions and channel logos.

Stick with 50Hz and save your money IMHO.
Old 18 March 2005, 11:42 AM
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Cheers Peeps.. looks like I shall sway towards the 50hz side....

Ali - I have no idea what your on about - Bootleg games/movies!!!! ( I better make sure the one I get supports NTSC then )

Do most 50hz tv's not support 60hz anyway !!
Old 18 March 2005, 12:11 PM
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100hz - you won't notice any difference really but you will when you try watching a 50hz set again. When I go to my parents the sky tv guide hurts my eyes...

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I've got a 100Hz 32" Sony with some fancy Sony resolution enchancement technology called DRC. Supposedly it doubles the number of pixels on each axis therefore making a normal definition picture something nearer to high definition. Anyway I think it has a fantastic picture and many of my mates have commented on the sharpness and clarity of the picture. Was pretty expensive when I bought it though.

A word of warning as well, if you're using it with PS2, XBOX etc. light guns don't work on 100Hz tellys, if you have any games that use them.
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Mine's a Sony with DRC also - stunning picture.

Graz - do you have your PS2 / XBox connected via S-Video or RBG SCART?
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Do most 50hz tv's not support 60hz anyway !!
Alot of Tv's are multi-standard these days, but not all support it, so it's something to look out for. I think it should be either PAL-M or PAL60, but don't quote me on that (this applies to both 100hz and 50hz TVs).
Old 18 March 2005, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by messiah
Mine's a Sony with DRC also - stunning picture.

Graz - do you have your PS2 / XBox connected via S-Video or RBG SCART?
I've only got a PS2 and I have it connected via RGB SCART using a Blaze Ultimate SCART Lead IIRC. Supposedly RGB SCART should give the best picture as the three colour components are seperated out (unless of course you have a TV with component input). S-Video is next best with seperate chrominance and luminance signals. Composite is the worst of the lot and looks terrible compared to RGB.

If your feeling flush IXOS (www.ixos.co.uk) do an fancy RGB SCART lead for the PS2:

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I find S-Video better.

I never had a problem with RBG SCART on my old 25" Sony but after getting the 32" widescreen I found it quite blocky - none of the lap times on GT3 could be read, switching to S-Video (the official Sony cable) made it far better.

Ixus do very good cables - I keep meaning to get one for the dvd player...
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