unclebuck

Leading on from the Punk thread. In each decade we seemed to have a regular cycle of pop cultural revolution roughly every 10 years. (one for each successive generation of youth?). In the mid 50’s there was the Rock and Roll explosion, 1967 saw the Summer Of Love and the flower power revolution, 1976 the Punk revolution and in 1988 the birth of Rave’s and Rave music.

Nothing much has happened since. It could be argued that in the 90’s you had a new type of cultural revolution with the birth of the internet, though I’m not sure if this counts. So, my question is what has happened to today’s youth? They seem be spoon fed pop idol, computer games and other such rubbish and just lie there and lap it all up.

Whatever happened to questioning accepted values and kicking against the establishment? This was something that was a fundamental part of my, and I’m sure a lot of other people on here’s development as adults.

Have we bred a new race of mindless tiny’s intent on nothing more than dressing in baggy clothes putting tinted highlights in their hair whilst mindlessly texting their pointless votes to one or other of the reality TV shows that they seem to love so much? Has the media finally taken complete control of a generation so that they no longer question anything set before them, and if so how will these people behave as adults. Mindless fops to be manipulated at will by Government and media alike. It’s a scary thought.

UB

MattW

We had New Labour

astraboy

IMO Gabba (Dutch Hardcore Techno) will be the next big thing.
The Dutch scene is huge over there with 10,000 people regularly turning up to "normal" sized raves.
The music is hard, agressive and not bound by normal musical constraints, exactly the same as Punk music in the 70s.
IMO it could become very big over here. Its growing all the time, particularly among the big London free party rigs.
astraboy.

Freak

acid house was the last biggie- too diverse now for anything like that to happen again

Brendan Hughes

Rap music. Much as I hate the stuff, I am led to believe that Ice Cube, Eminem and a few others Speak The Truth about How Life Is Tough On the Streets These Days. Look how hated Eminem was by people five years ago - proof that he was a true rebel. (And then, with all other greats, you get a thousand weak wannabe spin-offs and it gets watered down and commercialised...)

BTW, your mindless (x3) tirade was being spouted in the early 60s, so nothing's changed.

mj

- have you been to planet earth lateley?

Jye

Better drugs are required me thinks

unclebuck

But that happened in the mid 80s before Rave. Plus it was imported so it doesn't count.

It seemed good at the time though, as did Go-Go Music (remember that?!?) but it wasn't British.

Bubba po

It wouldn't take off in this country without a British Icon, I reckon.

Bubba po

Besides... kids nowadays are nowhere near as repressed as we were in the seventies and eighties.



I'm in grave danger of saying "Kids today; they don't know they're born". I ought to quit while I'm ahead.....

Brendan Hughes

Sorry, who was responsible for the Rock and Roll revolution that you first mentioned? You didn't say it had to be British.

astraboy

I've seen the following this music gets. The BNP are behind it, so is the proper underground. It might not happen, but if it does get big it will explode and the senior generation will be left scratching their heads about what its all about.
all the ingredients are there, its just waiting to happen.
astraboy.

Lum

Gabba has been around the UK for years though, no explosion yet.

Sorry, but mainstream media have now commoditised teenage rebellion, look at Linkin Park and all the other nu-metal crap out there. I love telling teenage wannabe moshers that Linkin Park are technically a boy band.

I miss the early 90s rave stuff though, wish I was slightly older when it came out so I had a chance to properly be a part of it.

SJ_Skyline

I blame Tony Blair™

tiggers

Aside from it being Tony's fault I think a lot of it has to do with the way the media now influence our lives. The media still basically control what music makes up the charts in the UK with Radio 1 still being the major infuence although less so these days hankfully.

The irony is we have a chicken and egg situaton there with bands only getting in the charts on the back of radio/TV airplay, which means they sell more and hence much of the media think that is what people want to listen to so play more of it Hence why we have seen a major stagnation in 'pop' music as far as what occupies the charts over the last 10/15 years.

Whereas before an underground movement such as punk would have built slowly virtually unnoticed by the media until it exploded driven by enthusiasm rather than commercialism now nothing really stays underground for long enough before the media get hold of it and commercialisation takes over forcing those who were genuinely behind it to go and find something else before it has even really started.

Just my 2 cents worth,

tiggers.

the moose

Not sure I agree with you Tiggers. I well remember hearing Jimmy Savile's oldies programme on Sunday lunchtimes - he'd play the entire top 10 from two given years. Much of the stuff in the charts in the '60's was truly terrible - for every one Beatles there'd be 50 Val Doonicans. The same was true in the 70's, and even in punk's heyday ('78-80 in commercial terms, I guess), the signal:noise ratio was terrible. I guess I'm saying that it's crap, but plus ca change.

Boy/girl bands are nothing new - The Monkees being prime exemplars - but there's good, vibrant, exciting music out there right now.

Whether this is a cultural revolution, who knows? My father lived through the '60s as a 30-something, and swears blind that not a lot changed. Looking back, you can see he was wrong, but living through it, perhaps you're too close.

Punk was a major change, but only for those involved - my sister was 17 in 1977 and punk completely passed her by. Not that she heard it and didn't like it, more that she totally missed it. Then again, she still listens to Carpenters albums ..........

The current revolution, I think, is more about communication - people have friends who they may never have met, simply because of the Internet. These are relationships which were pretty much inconceivable ten years ago, but are commonplace now, and will lead to a very different society.

Dunk

iTrader: (1)

If it does "explode" please ensure that it's not during night hours (namely between 11 pm and 7 am) but exceptions allow such use until 1 am on the nights of the Chinese New Year, Diwali and New Year's Eve and until midnight on 5th November.
Or Tone will give you an ASBO.

D

Senior_AP

Anti establishment people used to be cool. The only people that are like that now are benders.

SJ_Skyline

Possibly because those people that were anti-establishment then are now the establishment....

Napoleon, Boxer and Snowball anybody?

Senior_AP

Punk rockers etc etc.

It's just gay tree-huggers now.

Leslie

Who was it who said that those who did not agree to attacking Iraq illegally were Tree Huggers.

And were they that wrong to disagree with doing it?

Les

Senior_AP

I made a reference to tree huggers but nothing regarding Iraq etc etc.

I thought we were right to go to war.

MooseRacer

It's been around for years though AB - even back in the mid 90's when I used to stay up past 11 can't see it bringing on the sort of revolution unclebuck is on about.

Fookin mental it is too

andrewdelvard

Last time I listened to any of this awful, awful, ketamine-fueled, insane garbage was at a squat rave at the old dole office in Brixton in 1997. It was just drrreadful

Leslie

I did not mean to infer that it was you SAP, but that term was being used with reference to those who objected to attacking Iraq.

I am on record as disagreeing with starting an illegal war and I do not take any pleasure from the present utter mess in Iraq.

Bearing in mind my Service career, I hardly think I can be classed as a tree hugger either.

Les

astraboy

lol, ketamine fueled? dont think so! The last thing gabba ravers want to do is to K-hole in the corner and then cuddle the nearest radiator!
As for "deadful", I admit it is an aquired taste, took me an awful amount of time to work out what it was all about. Now I cant get enough of it
astraboy.

Senior_AP

All the bollox surrounding it, the lies, mis-truths etc etc is wrong.

However, Hussein is finally OUT. The guy was a lingering fart for too long and it's about time some countries had the guts to oust him.

He was never going to change, nor was he ever going to comply. It's messy now but I think in the long run it can only be good for the world.

"1 down, XX to go" kinda thing.