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Old 02 December 2004, 05:39 PM
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As thread title.

Being Zionists seems to be one of the main accusations thrown at Blair/Bush - I was just wondering what that actually meant.
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they starred in the Matrix.
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Supporters of the Israeli state I believe.
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Correct.

Also note Zionism which is useful in Scrabble. DL
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u watch empire warriors last week thats zionism, britain fights the war to save jews and gives them the arabs country and saves the zionists and zionists go and start bombing the brits and blow up the king david hotel and butcher british

thats zionism the same man the irgun leader becomes the prime minister, menachem begin
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Yep, Moses is correct.
Murdering terrorists all of a sudden become 'acceptable' because they start a political party.

Not at all like Mr Adams/McGuiness of course........
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u know when i watched it, it reminded me of hamas, islamic jihad and fatah

jews done the same but against people who liberated them from hitler and gave them someone elses country, now the palestinians are doing exactly the same to the israelis, of what the israelis done to the brits and other innocents, brits never killed a single jew but jews killed them and sent them letterbombs via post in the uk as well, they actually created the letterbomb and stuff, its amazing palestinians do the same and the israelis forger their past, that is palestinian land and their getting oppressed but brits never oppressed the jews, never did.
but saved them from hitler and became martyrs
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F*** Zionism

F*** materialism

F*** Nationalism

F*** Americanism


F*** religion

F*** religion

F*** religion

F*** religion.

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Zionist Terrorism

Mark Franklin

6/13/03

While Palestinians at large try to follow the Road Map to peace, Zionist terrorists continue down the Highway to Hell

"Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride ...

No stop signs, speed limit
Nobody's gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobody's gonna mess me round
Hey Satan, paid my dues ...
I'm on my way to the promised land

I'm on the highway to hell"

--AC/DC, "Highway to Hell"



During the course of the last several few weeks, noticeably evident in the last few days, we have seen little change with respect to the Mid-east's newfound plan for peace, commonly referred to as the "Road Map." This is largely because, while Palestinians at large are trying to follow it, the Israeli government has largely ignored it, continuing on its high-speed joyride down the highway to hell. In this respect, a long and noticeable trend continues. And it is time to put this in perspective, once and for all.

With the acceptance of the Road Map by both Israel and Palestine, a glimmer of hope initially appeared in the distance. Many felt that, unlike all the other measures before it, like the Oslo Accords, that the Road Map would somehow fare better. In fact, it is going the same route as all others, doomed to failure as a direct result of militant Zionism, which directly produces the reactionary element among the Palestinians.

In the late 1940s, Israel was formed on the blood of many innocents. Terrorists there ruled the day. The Zionists sent off letter bombs to many people; Churchill himself barely escaped one. Churchill's good friend, Lord Moyne, was not so lucky; the Zionists murdered him, causing the terrorist state of Israel not to form until after Churchill was gone. The Jewish terrorist responsible for Lord Moyne's death also murdered UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte. Another terrorist bombed the King David Hotel, murdering many innocent Europeans and Arabs who were staying there. In what can only be viewed as state-sanctioned terrorism, the two leaders responsible for the murders of many innocents through assassinations and bombings--Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin, respectively--would later become prime ministers of Israel. This was to be part of a long, ongoing trend of viciousness, aimed at anyone and everyone who got in Israel's way.

Even since the early days, when Israel itself was formed, it has flagrantly refused to abide by its agreements. For example, the UN only agreed to recognize Israel if the Palestinians who were driven from their homes would be allowed to return. In fact, there were approximately 1 million Palestinians who were forced to live in tents in the desert--with others literally forced to the sea--as a direct result of Zionist-induced terrorism. A UN resolution was made to this effect, and it has been but one of dozens of others that Israel has carelessly disregarded in its efforts to attain Jewish supremacy in the area, if not the world.

Since its formation, Israel has attacked Palestinians and others in such a ruthless manner that it would have made the ***** cringe. Their brutality and sheer viciousness knows no bounds. Even America has not escaped Israel's wrath.

In the early years of Israel's formation, Americans witnessed many of its interests in Egypt bombed, commonly referred to now as the LaVon Affair, which was deliberately done by Israel in an effort to pin the blame on Egyptians. It was only due to the ineptness of the Zionist hatemongers that the matter was exposed: An Israeli was literally caught "red handed" with an incendiary device going off that he had been carrying.

Later, Americans witnessed Israelis murder many innocent Americans on the nigh-defenseless ship the USS Liberty, which was in international waters at the time and had been identified as an American ship by Israelis according to their radio reports before the gruesome attack. The Israelis sought to murder all the Americans aboard with their unmarked planes, then pin the blame on Egypt so that America would attack it. After Zionist hatemongers put a 40-foot wide hole in the side of the ship and committed other war crimes--they napalmed many innocent and defenseless American soldiers, machine-gunned down life boats, shot missiles and other projectiles at the defenseless crew members aboard the ship--the Zionists stopped. And the Zionists only stopped in their unprovoked act of terrorism because its inept terrorists were unable to completely destroy the transmission capabilities of the USS Liberty, enabling a call for help. It was an Act of War on Israel's part, an act for wh! ich America's leaders, unduly influenced by Zionist plutocratic campaign support, has failed to make Israel accountable.

What has happened since the time of Israelis bombing the USS Liberty? Israel has continued on its bloodstained terrorist campaign. Mohammed Tareq Al-Khadra, who has been a direct witness to much of the brutal hatred exhibited by the Zionist supremacists, describes this in the book "Zionist Massacres ... Committed Against the Palestinian Arab People in the 20th Century." He writes,

"Terrorism is considered the main pillar on which the Zionist movement rested for occupying Palestine. Since the 1930s, the Zionist invaders considered that Palestine should be emptied of its indigenous population, the Palestinian Arabs, so that they can establish their artificial entity on the land of Palestine without instances of future obstacles. ... The series of massacres in Palestine did not cease with the creation of the Zionist entity. It, rather, increased in violence and brutality. During that time, the Zionist occupiers perpetrated many grisly massacres against our people, rendering homeless hundreds of thousands of them."

This book then documents literally hundreds of such massacres committed by the Zionist hatemongers. "Al-Quds Massacre--29 December 1947. The Irgun terrorist gang threw a barrel full of explosives near Bal Al-Amood in Jerusalem, killing 14 Arabs and injuring 27.... Al Quds Massacre--30 December 1947. The Irgun terrorist gang hurled a bomb from a fast moving car, killing 11 Arabs.... Balad El-Sheikh Massacre--31 December 1947 to 1 January 1948. On New Year's Eve, a joint force composed of the First Battalion of the Palmach and of the Carmeli Brigade led by Chaim Avinoam attacked the village, killing 60 Arabs.... Jaffa Massacre--4 January 1948. Stern Zionist gang threw a bomb at a crowded square in Jaffa, killing 15 and injuring 98.... The Massacre of the 'Old Government House' in Jaffa. On 4 January 1948, the Irgun Zionist gang placed a car filled with explosives adjacent to the Old Government House. The blast destroyed the building and everyone in its vicinity. Thirty Arab! s were murdered, others injured...."

The list goes on. Later, it becomes like a diary of who died in unchecked Zionist atrocities. One day after another, it lists many of those who have been murdered, hundreds upon hundreds of such incidents. Take the date 15 November 2000, for instance:

"Today, the Zionist army and police killed eleven Palestinians:

1.) Khalil Abdul-Nasser Atallah, a 10-year-old child from Nablus;

2.) Muhammad Khater Al-Ajla, a 13-year-old child from the Shuja'iyya quarter of Gaza. He was shot in the head at Mintar crossing;

3.) Nasser Muhammad Sharafi, a 15-year-old child from Gaza, was shot in the head at Mintar crossing;

4.) Jaddou' Manee' Abul-Kabbash, a 16-year-old from Sammou/Hebron, was shot in the chest;

5.) Ibrahim Abdul-Raoof Ju-eidi, a 15-year-old child from Qalquilya, was shot in the chest;

6.) Ahmad Sameer Bassal, a 17-year-old from Al-Hawa/Gaza, was shot in the heart at Mintar crossing;

7.) Fathi Awdeh Salem Obeid, a 23-year-old from Tulkarm camp, was shot in the chest;

8.) Samer Khairi Khadr, a 29-year-old from Kafir Rumman/Tulkarm, was shot in the chest by an Israeli policeman;

9.) Abdul-Hafez Muhammad Azoof, a 20-year-old from Jericho, was shot in the chest;

10.) Ahmad Saeed Ahmad Sha'ban, an 18-year-old from Jalama camp/Jenin, was shot in the abdomen;

11.) Muhammad Obeid, a 22-year-old from Gaza, was killed."

Day after day, Palestinians witness such graphic violence. Well over 2,000 have been killed in the past two years. If Palestine had the same population as America and the same percentage of those murdered held true, there would be over 200,000 people murdered. In fact, these unchecked murders there effect all Palestinians; all have been directly effected by having their loved ones or friends murdered or, at the least, injured.

In response to this, many Palestinians have given up all hope. They have become suicide bombers. Not many people in America approve of their actions; I personally do not. And the same might be said there with respect to these suicide bombers: No one wants to see their children die.

But we must ask ourselves how these suicide bombers can exist? The answer is not a pretty one: It has become so utterly futile for so many, so utterly hopeless, that they have nothing else to lose. They see their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends, cousins, aunts, uncles, homes, pets, livelihood--everything, for that matter--get destroyed. These suicide bombers are fully cognizant of the legendary tortures in which the Zionist army engages, from shock treatments to cutting of scraps of skin, to body parts taken from people while still alive, with their corpses tossed in the streets. And these militant Palestinian reactionaries respond in the only manner they feel that they can. Their fellow militants respond happily to the carnage created, but not the mothers and fathers of these children, for the most part. They are sad. How could they be happy, with their children dead? The mothers and the fathers are often targeted, whether approved or not, their homes destro! yed for what their children did. Often, brothers and sisters of these people are also targeted, their homes razed as well. Guilt by association is the Israeli motto. This, in turn, breeds more militants.

The paradox of the situation is unsettling: Israel's terrorist actions and non-stop land conquests are government sanctioned. The Israeli government allows its Zionist hatemonger militants--indeed, it glowingly approves of--to commit unchecked atrocities. The other day, Zionist helicopters went after what it deemed was a militant in the middle of a crowded square. It murdered many innocent people in its effort to assassinate this man, accused (and, by Israel's logic) and therefore guilty and subject to murder, according to the Zionist decree. Not too long ago, Zionists took out a skyscraper in an effort to assassinate one person.

On the other hand, the Palestinian leadership at least denounces acts of terrorism perpetrated by its citizens. Yet it is the Palestinians who live in utter futility and ruins thanks to the Zionists, who destroy the Palestinians' land, crops, trees, homes, and lives. If the Palestinian leadership were to act the same way as the Israelis, openly promoting government sanctioned assassinations of Israelis who it felt were terrorists, there would be condemnation of this. But this same treatment is not given for the Israelis.

When you think about the disparities arising over there, many questions come to mind: Where is the Israelis' condemnation when their Zionist cohorts randomly bomb the Palestinians, killing many innocents? Why is it always missing? How come we seldom here about the bombs that the Israeli settlers have planted at children's schools in Palestine, continuing the ongoing trend of sanctioned terrorism? Why are the Israelis who commit such actions never punished accordingly? And what gives these Israelis the right to condemn the Palestinian lone wolves who commit such actions, when Israel itself promotes government-sanctioned terrorism on its part, which has long been part of its policy?

Today, we see the Road Map trying to be administered. It may very well fail, as all other past attempts for peace have failed, as a direct result of Zionist-sponsored terrorism. At the beginning, the Zionists play the part, pretending to be peace partners. This time, they said to the Palestinians, "We are opening checkpoints. Come on through." Many innocent Palestinians tried to get through, but weren't allowed. They were greeted with percussion bombs, part of Israel's campaign to induce terror, as if a ploy to prevent others from going through in the future. Then they beat a little 11-year-old child, breaking his legs. Then the Zionist shot missiles in a crowded square, killing several innocents in an attempt to assassinate someone.

There is only one hope for the Road Map. It is the same hope as it has always been: If America stands at the gates of Israel, gathered around it and shouts, "No more!" as if circling the gates of Jericho. Only if America stops the Israeli hatred and unchecked atrocities will hope then again be restored to the Palestinians, who are victims of the unfettered, wicked acts perpetrated by the Zionist hatemongers. Only then will peace return. Israel is on the highway to hell, cruising along carelessly while tossing out tens of billions of American taxpayers' dollars left-and-right; and it desperately needs to see the Stop sign, forced back on the road to peace.



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just look at what they done to vananu , see israel is allowed nuclear and chemical weapons illegaly, but they have never been brought to justice till this day and they jailed a innocent man for exposing them and also till this day the american zionists havent let the killers of the american marines in the uss liberty be brought to justice
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have a read

http://www.godskingdomministries.org.../Chapter11.htm

here it from the non zionist jews mouth


http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm
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Oops, broke my rule about keeping out of threads about Lehi/Herut andthe setting up of Israel.

Keep this lot honest Moses
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I work for a telecom company and i'm responsible for the description and allocation of new numbers.

one day a new number popped up on our system that was in Israel. I looked it up on a telecom search site that we use and it's description was 'Palestine'. So I entered it onto our database as such.

The next phone bill run that went out we had a furious phone call from a jewish customer of ours threatening to cancel because they had never been so offended in all their life!!! they called us disgracefull supporters of the 'PLO' as there was no such thing as 'Palastine'!!!!! Threatened to go to the 'jewish press' and everything. I was forced to retract and re-label the calls as Isreal!!

ffs!

just thought i'd share......
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Originally Posted by FrenchBoy
I work for a telecom company and i'm responsible for the description and allocation of new numbers.

one day a new number popped up on our system that was in Israel. I looked it up on a telecom search site that we use and it's description was 'Palestine'. So I entered it onto our database as such.

The next phone bill run that went out we had a furious phone call from a jewish customer of ours threatening to cancel because they had never been so offended in all their life!!! they called us disgracefull supporters of the 'PLO' as there was no such thing as 'Palastine'!!!!! Threatened to go to the 'jewish press' and everything. I was forced to retract and re-label the calls as Isreal!!

ffs!

just thought i'd share......
that is shocking....sounds like deep rooted hatred between the two. no wonder they are no closer to a resolution as that is simply not what they want.
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religion is for people who are scared of dying.
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...or who want to help others to die.
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frenchboy u remember when jack straw said palestine a couple of yrs ago, sharon refused him entry and didnt want to meet him and sent him back


their is no israel its only palestine, God named jacob israel did u know and palestine was always arab land and jews named palestine israel, not God, abraham himself was from arabian lands, from iraq he is the father of the arabns and jews and sarah herself the mother of the hebrews , their was no such thing as hebrews that time or judaism, she was an iraqi, i cant remember what the land was called at the time, before mesopatamia and babylon , mother of the arabs was egyptian he had 2 wives.


name judaism comes from judah the son of jacob, who was evil and betrayed his stepbrothers joseph and benjamin, he repented and joseph and jacob forgave them, and when prophet jacob died peace be upon him and judah and his people, judahs kin stayed in a place called judea in palestine, and thats where they got the name judaism from , and the other 11 tribes werent called jews, but during the wars so many tribes people got wiped out the ruling and majority tribe was the tribe of judah, so they merged and got the name jews.


they were the original muslims along with ishmael the father of the arabs, we called them the believers of the one true God, their were not jews at the time but submitters of the one God of abraham , noah and adam etc, in short meaning muslim.

and also joseph himself the prophet they betrayed was married to an arab an egyptian lady and prophet moses himself never married a jew but an arab from his bloodline through prophet ishmaels bloodline a woman called zephorah
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Religion is for people who believe in God!

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moses re your long post, very interesting and thought provoking.

If only USA had the ***** to say enough is enough, no more billions in aid (given to Israel) until peace.

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Great Post Moses....
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If only USA had the ***** to say enough is enough, no more billions in aid (given to Israel) until peace.
And with the power of the Jewish influence in US politics, media, universities, financial institutions etc, that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by moses
Zionist Terrorism

Mark Franklin

6/13/03

While Palestinians at large try to follow the Road Map to peace, Zionist terrorists continue down the Highway to Hell

"Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride ...

No stop signs, speed limit
Nobody's gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobody's gonna mess me round
Hey Satan, paid my dues ...
I'm on my way to the promised land

I'm on the highway to hell"

--AC/DC, "Highway to Hell"



During the course of the last several few weeks, noticeably evident in the last few days, we have seen little change with respect to the Mid-east's newfound plan for peace, commonly referred to as the "Road Map." This is largely because, while Palestinians at large are trying to follow it, the Israeli government has largely ignored it, continuing on its high-speed joyride down the highway to hell. In this respect, a long and noticeable trend continues. And it is time to put this in perspective, once and for all.

With the acceptance of the Road Map by both Israel and Palestine, a glimmer of hope initially appeared in the distance. Many felt that, unlike all the other measures before it, like the Oslo Accords, that the Road Map would somehow fare better. In fact, it is going the same route as all others, doomed to failure as a direct result of militant Zionism, which directly produces the reactionary element among the Palestinians.

In the late 1940s, Israel was formed on the blood of many innocents. Terrorists there ruled the day. The Zionists sent off letter bombs to many people; Churchill himself barely escaped one. Churchill's good friend, Lord Moyne, was not so lucky; the Zionists murdered him, causing the terrorist state of Israel not to form until after Churchill was gone. The Jewish terrorist responsible for Lord Moyne's death also murdered UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte. Another terrorist bombed the King David Hotel, murdering many innocent Europeans and Arabs who were staying there. In what can only be viewed as state-sanctioned terrorism, the two leaders responsible for the murders of many innocents through assassinations and bombings--Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin, respectively--would later become prime ministers of Israel. This was to be part of a long, ongoing trend of viciousness, aimed at anyone and everyone who got in Israel's way.

Even since the early days, when Israel itself was formed, it has flagrantly refused to abide by its agreements. For example, the UN only agreed to recognize Israel if the Palestinians who were driven from their homes would be allowed to return. In fact, there were approximately 1 million Palestinians who were forced to live in tents in the desert--with others literally forced to the sea--as a direct result of Zionist-induced terrorism. A UN resolution was made to this effect, and it has been but one of dozens of others that Israel has carelessly disregarded in its efforts to attain Jewish supremacy in the area, if not the world.

Since its formation, Israel has attacked Palestinians and others in such a ruthless manner that it would have made the ***** cringe. Their brutality and sheer viciousness knows no bounds. Even America has not escaped Israel's wrath.

In the early years of Israel's formation, Americans witnessed many of its interests in Egypt bombed, commonly referred to now as the LaVon Affair, which was deliberately done by Israel in an effort to pin the blame on Egyptians. It was only due to the ineptness of the Zionist hatemongers that the matter was exposed: An Israeli was literally caught "red handed" with an incendiary device going off that he had been carrying.

Later, Americans witnessed Israelis murder many innocent Americans on the nigh-defenseless ship the USS Liberty, which was in international waters at the time and had been identified as an American ship by Israelis according to their radio reports before the gruesome attack. The Israelis sought to murder all the Americans aboard with their unmarked planes, then pin the blame on Egypt so that America would attack it. After Zionist hatemongers put a 40-foot wide hole in the side of the ship and committed other war crimes--they napalmed many innocent and defenseless American soldiers, machine-gunned down life boats, shot missiles and other projectiles at the defenseless crew members aboard the ship--the Zionists stopped. And the Zionists only stopped in their unprovoked act of terrorism because its inept terrorists were unable to completely destroy the transmission capabilities of the USS Liberty, enabling a call for help. It was an Act of War on Israel's part, an act for wh! ich America's leaders, unduly influenced by Zionist plutocratic campaign support, has failed to make Israel accountable.

What has happened since the time of Israelis bombing the USS Liberty? Israel has continued on its bloodstained terrorist campaign. Mohammed Tareq Al-Khadra, who has been a direct witness to much of the brutal hatred exhibited by the Zionist supremacists, describes this in the book "Zionist Massacres ... Committed Against the Palestinian Arab People in the 20th Century." He writes,

"Terrorism is considered the main pillar on which the Zionist movement rested for occupying Palestine. Since the 1930s, the Zionist invaders considered that Palestine should be emptied of its indigenous population, the Palestinian Arabs, so that they can establish their artificial entity on the land of Palestine without instances of future obstacles. ... The series of massacres in Palestine did not cease with the creation of the Zionist entity. It, rather, increased in violence and brutality. During that time, the Zionist occupiers perpetrated many grisly massacres against our people, rendering homeless hundreds of thousands of them."

This book then documents literally hundreds of such massacres committed by the Zionist hatemongers. "Al-Quds Massacre--29 December 1947. The Irgun terrorist gang threw a barrel full of explosives near Bal Al-Amood in Jerusalem, killing 14 Arabs and injuring 27.... Al Quds Massacre--30 December 1947. The Irgun terrorist gang hurled a bomb from a fast moving car, killing 11 Arabs.... Balad El-Sheikh Massacre--31 December 1947 to 1 January 1948. On New Year's Eve, a joint force composed of the First Battalion of the Palmach and of the Carmeli Brigade led by Chaim Avinoam attacked the village, killing 60 Arabs.... Jaffa Massacre--4 January 1948. Stern Zionist gang threw a bomb at a crowded square in Jaffa, killing 15 and injuring 98.... The Massacre of the 'Old Government House' in Jaffa. On 4 January 1948, the Irgun Zionist gang placed a car filled with explosives adjacent to the Old Government House. The blast destroyed the building and everyone in its vicinity. Thirty Arab! s were murdered, others injured...."

The list goes on. Later, it becomes like a diary of who died in unchecked Zionist atrocities. One day after another, it lists many of those who have been murdered, hundreds upon hundreds of such incidents. Take the date 15 November 2000, for instance:

"Today, the Zionist army and police killed eleven Palestinians:

1.) Khalil Abdul-Nasser Atallah, a 10-year-old child from Nablus;

2.) Muhammad Khater Al-Ajla, a 13-year-old child from the Shuja'iyya quarter of Gaza. He was shot in the head at Mintar crossing;

3.) Nasser Muhammad Sharafi, a 15-year-old child from Gaza, was shot in the head at Mintar crossing;

4.) Jaddou' Manee' Abul-Kabbash, a 16-year-old from Sammou/Hebron, was shot in the chest;

5.) Ibrahim Abdul-Raoof Ju-eidi, a 15-year-old child from Qalquilya, was shot in the chest;

6.) Ahmad Sameer Bassal, a 17-year-old from Al-Hawa/Gaza, was shot in the heart at Mintar crossing;

7.) Fathi Awdeh Salem Obeid, a 23-year-old from Tulkarm camp, was shot in the chest;

8.) Samer Khairi Khadr, a 29-year-old from Kafir Rumman/Tulkarm, was shot in the chest by an Israeli policeman;

9.) Abdul-Hafez Muhammad Azoof, a 20-year-old from Jericho, was shot in the chest;

10.) Ahmad Saeed Ahmad Sha'ban, an 18-year-old from Jalama camp/Jenin, was shot in the abdomen;

11.) Muhammad Obeid, a 22-year-old from Gaza, was killed."

Day after day, Palestinians witness such graphic violence. Well over 2,000 have been killed in the past two years. If Palestine had the same population as America and the same percentage of those murdered held true, there would be over 200,000 people murdered. In fact, these unchecked murders there effect all Palestinians; all have been directly effected by having their loved ones or friends murdered or, at the least, injured.

In response to this, many Palestinians have given up all hope. They have become suicide bombers. Not many people in America approve of their actions; I personally do not. And the same might be said there with respect to these suicide bombers: No one wants to see their children die.

But we must ask ourselves how these suicide bombers can exist? The answer is not a pretty one: It has become so utterly futile for so many, so utterly hopeless, that they have nothing else to lose. They see their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends, cousins, aunts, uncles, homes, pets, livelihood--everything, for that matter--get destroyed. These suicide bombers are fully cognizant of the legendary tortures in which the Zionist army engages, from shock treatments to cutting of scraps of skin, to body parts taken from people while still alive, with their corpses tossed in the streets. And these militant Palestinian reactionaries respond in the only manner they feel that they can. Their fellow militants respond happily to the carnage created, but not the mothers and fathers of these children, for the most part. They are sad. How could they be happy, with their children dead? The mothers and the fathers are often targeted, whether approved or not, their homes destro! yed for what their children did. Often, brothers and sisters of these people are also targeted, their homes razed as well. Guilt by association is the Israeli motto. This, in turn, breeds more militants.

The paradox of the situation is unsettling: Israel's terrorist actions and non-stop land conquests are government sanctioned. The Israeli government allows its Zionist hatemonger militants--indeed, it glowingly approves of--to commit unchecked atrocities. The other day, Zionist helicopters went after what it deemed was a militant in the middle of a crowded square. It murdered many innocent people in its effort to assassinate this man, accused (and, by Israel's logic) and therefore guilty and subject to murder, according to the Zionist decree. Not too long ago, Zionists took out a skyscraper in an effort to assassinate one person.

On the other hand, the Palestinian leadership at least denounces acts of terrorism perpetrated by its citizens. Yet it is the Palestinians who live in utter futility and ruins thanks to the Zionists, who destroy the Palestinians' land, crops, trees, homes, and lives. If the Palestinian leadership were to act the same way as the Israelis, openly promoting government sanctioned assassinations of Israelis who it felt were terrorists, there would be condemnation of this. But this same treatment is not given for the Israelis.

When you think about the disparities arising over there, many questions come to mind: Where is the Israelis' condemnation when their Zionist cohorts randomly bomb the Palestinians, killing many innocents? Why is it always missing? How come we seldom here about the bombs that the Israeli settlers have planted at children's schools in Palestine, continuing the ongoing trend of sanctioned terrorism? Why are the Israelis who commit such actions never punished accordingly? And what gives these Israelis the right to condemn the Palestinian lone wolves who commit such actions, when Israel itself promotes government-sanctioned terrorism on its part, which has long been part of its policy?

Today, we see the Road Map trying to be administered. It may very well fail, as all other past attempts for peace have failed, as a direct result of Zionist-sponsored terrorism. At the beginning, the Zionists play the part, pretending to be peace partners. This time, they said to the Palestinians, "We are opening checkpoints. Come on through." Many innocent Palestinians tried to get through, but weren't allowed. They were greeted with percussion bombs, part of Israel's campaign to induce terror, as if a ploy to prevent others from going through in the future. Then they beat a little 11-year-old child, breaking his legs. Then the Zionist shot missiles in a crowded square, killing several innocents in an attempt to assassinate someone.

There is only one hope for the Road Map. It is the same hope as it has always been: If America stands at the gates of Israel, gathered around it and shouts, "No more!" as if circling the gates of Jericho. Only if America stops the Israeli hatred and unchecked atrocities will hope then again be restored to the Palestinians, who are victims of the unfettered, wicked acts perpetrated by the Zionist hatemongers. Only then will peace return. Israel is on the highway to hell, cruising along carelessly while tossing out tens of billions of American taxpayers' dollars left-and-right; and it desperately needs to see the Stop sign, forced back on the road to peace.



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just look at what they done to vananu , see israel is allowed nuclear and chemical weapons illegaly, but they have never been brought to justice till this day and they jailed a innocent man for exposing them and also till this day the american zionists havent let the killers of the american marines in the uss liberty be brought to justice
Hope you didn't chisel this lot out on a stone tablet.
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lol @ johnskelly haha that was funny mate, made me laugh out loud

thank God i didnt need to carve it out on a tablet hee hee, i was named after prophet moses , my hero, luv him to bits .


thanks imi and buck

i wish they did mate, its sad u know , arabs and muslims would have never ever have hated the usa if it wasnt off their blind support of zionists and israeli and oppression from 1948 onwards.

muslims never had a problem with jews in history, did u know jews lived among muslims for 1400 yrs they were arab jews in arab lands, look at shoval mofaz himself, the ***, his ancestors and himself come from yemeni jewish stock, he himself is living proof off tolerance of muslims and u heard of the football club called beiter jerusalem, it was made and started off from jews from arab lands and hapoel tel aviv were european jews.


and yes mate, God in the quran calls them original hebrews muslims, God said abraham was neither christian or jewish, how could he be when they religions werent created after him, he was a muslim as in believer in the one God just like the original ancestors of the jews.



like i said from the 11 brothers who betrayed joseph the prophet and awesome man, came forth he creation of judaism and the land called judea and teachings, but not from jacob or joseph himself.

benjamin was the youngest and a kid the blood brother of prophet joseph, who muslims call yusof, u ever hear a muslim called yusof, he is named after prophet joseph, im musa as in moses and ibrahim is abraham, etc and yacub is jacob, very common names in muslim communities .


well said kiwi i agree
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moses - you would make more progress presenting a balanced point of view instead of your normal rhetorical sh1te. Have you ever considerd how the average zionist sees you?
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fast bloke as usual comes to stir trouble without an invitation i know what u think off me and it doesnt matter , if u dont mind keep out of my replies, were old enemies
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have a look at this hypocrisy

from the israeli top newspaper

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/509876.html


i like this paper it gives both sides

and also read it, israeli protests against the usa sale off surface to air missile sale to jordan, hmm israel has them too so why the prob to sell it to their ally jordan ?
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Originally Posted by moses
fast bloke as usual comes to stir trouble without an invitation i know what u think off me and it doesnt matter , if u dont mind keep out of my replies, were old enemies


So I can take that as a no then? (you don't know what I think of you, you
only know what you hope I think of you so it fits with your narrow minded perspective..... )



btw - how did Rangers do on Thursday )
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lol im a celtic man plonker
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Well yet again we are treated to Moses version of world history and his anti semetic rantings.
Strange because given his obvious blind alliance to the palistine (cause) he above all should realise given the ******* arafats recent death we may now actually discuss a solution and not as he did scrap it when it may actually have worked.
As for all the historic Bulls*** moses talks about he yet again fails to mention the deaths and injeries caused by the brave men and women of Palistine on innocent women and children who dared to travel on a bus.
As for the question what is Zionism at the end of the day it is for the the right of Israel to exist in peace and never again to hope for world support to prevent another holocaust to this end i proudly served in the IDF whose ethos in life is to protect Israel not not wage war to expand.
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Sooner we find another planet in the solar system that can sustain life, the better.
Send all these religious fookin nutcases off there and they can rant,rave,murder terrorise, and generally cause ill to others in the name of their "God".

Leave us "normal" decent people to get on with our mundane hum-drum lives. Strong in the belief that all that happens at the end is a puff of energy shootin out into the ether.

Religion is bollox

Ps thats for all religions.........Im not biggoted

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