Some miserable people in this world....
16 September 2004, 10:34 AM
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Some miserable people in this world....
Apologies in advance for length of this post!
My fiance is starting a small business - related to children's parties. She gave 10 leaflets to our neighbour's 11 year old daughter to pass on to her friends.
What appears to have happened is that in an effort to help she put a few through some front doors in the road next to ours.
The first we heard of this was an email received this morning...
Subject: One for your lawyers
XXXX Crescent
XXXX
London
15th. September 2004.
Dear Sir
May I draw your attention and that of your delivery agents to the ancient English laws of Trespass.
Only authorised persons, (ie. Police), have the right to be on private property. Ignorance of prohibtion notices like `No Circulars` or `Addressed Mail Only` on private property, lays the offender liable to prosecution and a claim for damages for removing the litter.
On 15th. September 2004. your circular was delivered at my address where such notices are clearly displayed on the front door and letterbox flap respectively. Trespass was therefore committed and a nuisance created.
This letter is the first stage in a legal process that will end in an action being taken in the County Court against you and/or your agent should the offence be repeated. I shall seek a similar charge for littering on my property as the local council imposes for littering in a public place - £25 for each instance.
Whereas I may have used your services had you advertised in the local paper or on the Internet, we never give our custom to any business that withholds a verifiable trading address and I will now actively avoid your business and encourage neighbours and colleagues to do likewise.
Your circular has had a negative effect and I hope your enterprise fails miserably.
Now **** off and don't come back to my property.
Yours faithfully
xx
(no surname given)
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Quite obviously this had a very upsetting effect on my (pregnant) partner, and a slightly more enraging effect on me.
My response was to go round immediately - to be fair the door did have the 'no leaflets' signs as mentioned in the email (god knows why the neighbour's daughter didn't spot them) - and a bloke came to answer the door. He claimed no knowledge of either the email or the name on it.
I explained (without swearing or aggression) both that the leaflet was delivered without permission and that I was taking the unpleasant tone and content of the mail VERY seriously in light of the effect on my partner he still claimed without much sincerity to have no knowledge "someone could have seen the signs on the door and used my address instead". I eyeballed him for a good ten seconds and walked off.
Just venting here - not sure I can do anything more as it would impact on her business (mobile number on poster) - but just appalled at the petty-minded response.
My fiance is starting a small business - related to children's parties. She gave 10 leaflets to our neighbour's 11 year old daughter to pass on to her friends.
What appears to have happened is that in an effort to help she put a few through some front doors in the road next to ours.
The first we heard of this was an email received this morning...
Subject: One for your lawyers
XXXX Crescent
XXXX
London
15th. September 2004.
Dear Sir
May I draw your attention and that of your delivery agents to the ancient English laws of Trespass.
Only authorised persons, (ie. Police), have the right to be on private property. Ignorance of prohibtion notices like `No Circulars` or `Addressed Mail Only` on private property, lays the offender liable to prosecution and a claim for damages for removing the litter.
On 15th. September 2004. your circular was delivered at my address where such notices are clearly displayed on the front door and letterbox flap respectively. Trespass was therefore committed and a nuisance created.
This letter is the first stage in a legal process that will end in an action being taken in the County Court against you and/or your agent should the offence be repeated. I shall seek a similar charge for littering on my property as the local council imposes for littering in a public place - £25 for each instance.
Whereas I may have used your services had you advertised in the local paper or on the Internet, we never give our custom to any business that withholds a verifiable trading address and I will now actively avoid your business and encourage neighbours and colleagues to do likewise.
Your circular has had a negative effect and I hope your enterprise fails miserably.
Now **** off and don't come back to my property.
Yours faithfully
xx
(no surname given)
__________________________________
Quite obviously this had a very upsetting effect on my (pregnant) partner, and a slightly more enraging effect on me.
My response was to go round immediately - to be fair the door did have the 'no leaflets' signs as mentioned in the email (god knows why the neighbour's daughter didn't spot them) - and a bloke came to answer the door. He claimed no knowledge of either the email or the name on it.
I explained (without swearing or aggression) both that the leaflet was delivered without permission and that I was taking the unpleasant tone and content of the mail VERY seriously in light of the effect on my partner he still claimed without much sincerity to have no knowledge "someone could have seen the signs on the door and used my address instead". I eyeballed him for a good ten seconds and walked off.
Just venting here - not sure I can do anything more as it would impact on her business (mobile number on poster) - but just appalled at the petty-minded response.
16 September 2004, 11:03 AM
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I'd avoid putting any more leaflets through his letterbox as he requests - but only because he sounds like a nutter if he goes to the trouble of writing and threatening legal action. He needs to get out more! 
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16 September 2004, 11:10 AM
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I wonder if he does this with every piece of junk mail the postman/woman puts through his letter box? You know, "to the occupier" etc....
Perhaps he thinks he will get compensation which will supplement his dole cheque.....
Perhaps he thinks he will get compensation which will supplement his dole cheque.....
16 September 2004, 11:18 AM
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Miserable B*stard. Btw last time I looked, tresspass was a civil matter. The police would not be interested. As for taking it to court...... for the sum of 25 pounds, I doubt it very much!!! :-D In fact let him try, then he'd have to identify himself and admit to issuing that E-mail! Then you could send a circular around to all your neighbours (except him, cause he doesn't want any such mail :-) ) containing the offtending E-mail by way of letting them know exactly how he responded to a very innocuous act. :-D
Prob best to just ignore it on the basis that people that petty aren't worth bothering with!
Best of luck with the business venture.
Prob best to just ignore it on the basis that people that petty aren't worth bothering with!
Best of luck with the business venture.
16 September 2004, 11:20 AM
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I must be miserable git because I thought the letter was quite good! I have, in the past, put up a notice on a bin outside my door during elections saying "Vote already decided - please place political propaganda in the recepticle provided" 
It was unfortunate in this instance that your fiance got upset, but I'm sure most people would think the same letter to genuine spammers and junkmail senders would be quite approriate.
He shouldn't have lied to your face though, if he felt he had a genuine grievance then he should have owned up to it.
It was unfortunate in this instance that your fiance got upset, but I'm sure most people would think the same letter to genuine spammers and junkmail senders would be quite approriate.
He shouldn't have lied to your face though, if he felt he had a genuine grievance then he should have owned up to it.
16 September 2004, 11:22 AM
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I think I would be signing his email addy up to every free promotion and **** site I could find. Try posting it on a google newsgroup as well, a nice little bot will find it and he'll get the good old "increase your ***** length" mails as well
16 September 2004, 11:26 AM
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Pseudo-legal bullsh!t, so ignore the threats. It's someone who's utterly pissed off with being leafletted, and has decided to get his own back. Personally I think it's an excellent letter, very tongue in cheek, and I'd love to send it to all the double-glazing companies, supermarkets, Jehova's Witnessess and the like who constantly plug up my mailbox. Unfortunately, in your particular case it was inappropriate and backfired badly, and I'm sorry the guy apparently didn't have the guts to admit it.
16 September 2004, 11:32 AM
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ChrisB - what a GREAT idea! 
ajm/Brendan - got to disagree with you there - it was a reasonable point made in a very unpleasant way - no need for foul language or comments about hoping the business will fail - THAT is what upset me.
Also if you're going to 'talk' big you should have the guts to stand by them. I'm hardly a heavyweight boxer, angry or not!
The legal stuff is water off a duck's back and had that been all the mail contained I'd have laughed and deleted it.
ajm/Brendan - got to disagree with you there - it was a reasonable point made in a very unpleasant way - no need for foul language or comments about hoping the business will fail - THAT is what upset me.
Also if you're going to 'talk' big you should have the guts to stand by them. I'm hardly a heavyweight boxer, angry or not!
The legal stuff is water off a duck's back and had that been all the mail contained I'd have laughed and deleted it.
16 September 2004, 11:50 AM
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Hey Scooby - offer is much appreciated, but I think the Google newsgroup is as far as I'll go!
Would hate to end up with Deb having to change her business mobile (and costs related to that) if this guy started playing silly buggers.
Although maybe one night after a few ales I might change my mind!
Would hate to end up with Deb having to change her business mobile (and costs related to that) if this guy started playing silly buggers.
Although maybe one night after a few ales I might change my mind!
16 September 2004, 11:59 AM
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Aaaargh - you're bad bad people to be encouraging me!!
Better let Deb make the decison on that one - I'll get her to look at this thread and let me know!!
Cheers for all the support - Scoobynet never fails!
Better let Deb make the decison on that one - I'll get her to look at this thread and let me know!!
Cheers for all the support - Scoobynet never fails!
16 September 2004, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by IanWatson
ajm/Brendan - got to disagree with you there - it was a reasonable point made in a very unpleasant way - no need for foul language or comments about hoping the business will fail - THAT is what upset me.
But then again I don't know the bloke, he could be a proper **** for all I know!
What I do know is that I'd like to send that letter to some of the companies responsible for the daily paper chuff on my doorstep!
Anyway, I'm sure you'll deal with this in a way you see appropriate....
16 September 2004, 01:44 PM
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A subtle PM with an email address won't effect you as it will be coming from my email account. If not goto a few **** sites and enter his email address in to receive daily updates. Give it a month and he will receive about 500 mails a day 
16 September 2004, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
I have, in the past, put up a notice on a bin outside my door during elections saying "Vote already decided - please place political propaganda in the recepticle provided"
16 September 2004, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by IanWatson
On 15th. September 2004. your circular was delivered at my address where such notices are clearly displayed on the front door and letterbox flap respectively. Trespass was therefore committed and a nuisance created.
So anyone delivering leaflets get to the door and see the notices, by which time deposited or no, you're already tresspassing - what a crock of ****, d!ckhead
16 September 2004, 03:10 PM
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No, that was fair enough. Trespass was committed (?!) by insisting on putting the letter through the box rather than taking it away again.
It might be the only accurate statement in the entire letter though.
It might be the only accurate statement in the entire letter though.