Petem95

Ive seen a few cars displaying great speed camera pis$-take stickers in their rear windscreens, and Ive just found the source!

http://www.abd.org.uk/speed_camera_signs.htm

Actually the Association of British Drivers site - stickers are downloadable and printable - EVERYONE should have one of these on display

Abdabz

Childish and petulent IMO

Give me speed cameras over speed bumps any day...

Nick

Thanks for the link - I especially like the Russian proverb one.

Chris L

Yeah - so did I very true

For those who haven't seen it:

'Kogda dengi govoryat, togda pravda molchit'

or

'When money talks, then truth is silent'

Richard Askew

My favourite:



And this quote about the stickers:

"Crass Rubbish"
Brian Ladd, Essex Police / Essex Safety Camera Partnership

ROFLMAO

andrewdelvard

T-Shirts as well! Wear one to court

Senior_AP

Money from fixed cameras does not go to the Police.

pslewis

Makes me laugh, this childish hatred of Speed Cameras!

It's like hating Lions because they will eat you if you stroke them - what do you do??

Lesson - Don't stroke a Lion!!

You all KNOW that a camera will take a photo if you speed .....

Why hate them??

Just DON'T SPEED and you will have no need of 'Toys-out-of-the-Pram' Stickers!!

Grow up, slow down and don't get wound up!

Pete

Chris L

Yes it does - they keep the funds necessary to maintain and provide the 'service' - only surplus funds are sent to central government now. Almost all police forces now participate in this scheme.

Chris L

Thing is Pete - you know as well I as do, that all this stuff spurted by the government is crap. They no more want you to slow down, than they want you to give up smoking or drinking or driving your car. It all generates too much money.

If they were serious about reducing road deaths and improving road saftey they would
introduce a tougher driving test, make advanced driver training compulsory, introduce compulsory eye tests every 5 years, look at the design of road junctions (poor road design is estimated to count for 60% of all accidents) etc etc. Problem is, this all costs money, rather than generating it.

Cynical? Me?

pslewis

I agree, Chris - BUT, to complian about the law is stupid - its there, it has to be heeded or there are penalties to pay!

I don't agree with the TV licence (been in court for that!) - I don't agree that you should pay to sail a boat on the River! (who owns the river FFS!?) - I don't think I should have to pay for a licence to fish!!

However, if I don't want to get done I have to abide by the rules or pay the price ...... sticking childish stickers in my car will do NOTHING!

The law says thou shalt NOT speed ......... if you do, you choose to and you have to pay the penalty if caught!

I speed - and have been caught - BUT, the only way to cheat the government out of money from cameras is NOT to speed!!

Now, THAT would be the clever and grown up thing to do!!

Pete

Senior_AP

Fixed cameras (Gatso, Truvelo) are government funded (to build and maintain). The police are involved with the legal side of speeding though any police officer worth his badge will tell you they are not the answer to speed related injuries/death. (off the record of course).

Police make money from mobile vans, guns etc. Usually placed in areas where seeding actually IS dangerous.

Fixed cameras are to line the government pocket - police play a part due to the legalities of speeding thougn the police, as a group are not responsible for them.

Mark_S

The problem with speed cameras is that they can measure but one parameter, speed. There are unfortunately a lot more measures of what constitutes dangerous driving, tail gateing, weaving between lanes, using a mobile phone whilst at the wheel, driving tired, driving an un-fit car, not taking into account road conditions are but a few. I would hope most people would agree that travelling at 70mph on a motorway in heavy rain or snow be much much more dangerous than say travelling at 80mph in the dry on the same road at a quiet time of day, one would be deemed acceptable in the eyes of the law the other not.
My point is that a speed camera is a blunt tool, they have their place on our roads, but these are outside schools and busy road junctions, not on straight sections of our motorways and dual carriageways. I believe these places are best served by our Traffic Police and a good helping of common sense.

Pete, you show me a driver who has never speeded, and I'll show you a liar!!

Mark

Senior_AP

Speed is the only measurable thing though. Its not dangerous in itself but its "more" dangerous if coupled with ****** driving.

It sucks I know but there isn't another alternative.

My gripe is with ill placed cameras.

Mark_S

If this goverment (or any other for that matter) are serious about reducing road deaths then they should spend a lot more on making the roads safe. The A1 for one would benefit big time if they upgraded it to motorway all along its length (removing all the dangerous side turnings) . The money is there for gods sake, they take enough from us to fund road building all across Europe!.

Senior_AP

I use the M1 dailly. 120 mile round trip to work.

A good start would be signs saying :

"remember, keep left unles overtaking".

Congestion would decrease so much. But what do I know - I'm just a pleb that votes instead of being voted 'for'.

Mark_S

My point is that traffic police seem to have been replaced by machines. Surely the alternative is to bring back the traffic cop who can take into account conditions/bad driving/speed etc etc. It's all about money though isnt it!!

pslewis

Can't 'quite' follow that logic??

Its a SPEED camera - it measures speed and prosecutes those doing in excess of the posted limit.

It is not a 'Tired/Sleepy Detector Camera', a Tail-Gating Camera or a Mobile Phone use Camera ................. it does what it says on the box, so I can't see your point?

There are other driving offences that a speed camera doesn't see - but thats no excuse for breaking the law and speeding is it?

Like I said, I speed - if I get caught then thats whats supposed to happen!!

Pete

Nick

Is this guy one of the cops making £7k per year in overtime running the scamera vans?

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/

http://www.abd.org.uk/

pslewis

If you don't speed then you won't get caught and feel bitter, thats all I am saying!

Choose to speed and get caught - well, pay up - its the penalty for speeding!

Its a fact of life - the sooner some become to accept it as such the less of these, "I got done for doing 100MPH please help me get off threads"!!

Or the even more pathetic, "I'll show them, I'll put a sticker in my car that says Speed Cameras Stink"!!

Come on, grow up, slow down and put your money to other uses!!

Pete

Mark_S

Pete,

I'm sorry my logic was too complicated for you

Senior_AP

Agreed 100% but I fear they never will.

Sucks doesn't it.

pslewis

Hmmmmmmm, complicated? The word childish did spring to mind, but alas I held my tongue

Pete

Mark_S

Suggest you read Nicks thread "Foundation stone of "Speed Kills" Abandoned by DfT" maybe then you might get it, but then maybe not.

pslewis

To me, if you break the law and get caught you pay a penalty ...... its very difficult for me to stretch that into your logic. So I won't try

Pete

Mark_S

Good

SCOSaltire

new law:
pslewis cannot go faster than 10 mph

Petem95

Oh dear theres always one isnt there, coming out with the "speed limits are there for a reason, if u break them u deserve to be caught argument"...

So lets say you have a perfectly safe stretch of duel carriageway way - 70mph limit, so I presume you'd agree it was safe to travel at 65mph in normal conditions? Not breaking the law there.

Then speed cam partnership comes along - "oh lets cut the limit to 50mph for no reason, and hide a camera van down there", so now 65mph IS illegal and results in 3 points, and (more importantly for them) £60 fine...... get the picture? thats whats happening and thats whats pis$ing people off.

Just because you dont disagree with speed camera policy doesnt automatically mean you think its fine to drive everywhere at stupid speeds.

Senior_AP

Agreed....but, do you not agree that some laws are flawed?? After all, laws are devised by people, some humans (who make these laws) are as prone to make mistakes as any other human.

Road safety is good. Damn, I have a Porsche for the track but a boggy basic Vectra for the road. Speed doesn't kill but its the only, realistically contributing factor tha you can measure.

TDT

Am resisting the temptation to reply having spent the afternoon sweeping (well....more jet washing) a 6 year old off the road. An incident purely caused by excess speed.............