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iTrader: (15)

There was a scottish B&B owner who took a booking for two gay gentlemen and when he realised the state of play he denied them access to a double room, instead offering a twin room.
public outcry ensued.
Talk sport this morning were all over it and high and mighty James Whale was completely offended by the whole thing.

Thing is this, the guy owns his own business, surely he has the right of admission over everyone who comes through the door?
Regardless of how pro-this or anti-that he is he still ultimately has control over who comes over the threshold and under what terms he likes doesnt he?

everybody who took the same view as the owner was instantly branded homophobic.
Whale countered again with a line "when you open your doors to the public you lose your rights over admission".
is it because of the "pc for pc's sake" movement that we have the BNP animals gaining votes in a rebellion against the establishment?
Whale also thought that we had more pressing matters to deal with than this..
This is how Tony B.Liar has sold us as a nation down the river, scared to cry wolf at anybody who isnt British for fear of racial/sexual/etc etc backlash.
he is scratching away at the soft underbelly of society and trying to turn us into a federal European outpost.
The issue here is not about the gay couple, it is about a persons rights in his home/place of work.

Senior_AP

It was a B&B in his house. He has every right to tell them to f$ck off.

I wouldn't want two blokes bumming in my house either. He may have children etc etc.

His house, his rules.

I'm not a homophobe but I believe that in his house he has the right. He said you can stay, just not in the same room. Fair play IMO.

Chris L

If they are paying money for the service you offer - who cares what they do in the bedroom? If they'd gone there and wrecked the place, he'd have a right to be annoyed. Denying someone because you don't like what they might be or what they might do is an entirely different matter.

Does he honestly believe that this was the first gay couple that has stayed at this B&B? Only difference was that this time he knew about it.

It's got nothing to do with Tony Blair and his dodgy policies and a lot more to do with an individuals own insecurities and prejudices.

Chris

Senior_AP

PC is ****e.

About admission. A shopkeeper can refuse to serve someone if he/she wishes. It's no different.

B&B owner had EVERY RIGHT to say and do what he said/did.

Senior_AP

I've probably had a rapist or a murderer in my uncles bike shop - he didn't know it....but if he did he'd tell them to f$ck off. (or just be qyuiet in fear of the murderer )

B&B owner was well within his rights, 100%

mj

OMG - my next post is 4000 !!!!!!!!



on a thread about backdoor frolics


is that ironic?

Senior_AP

No, but it is funny.

lordharding

iTrader: (1)

another classic post

Senior_AP

A'a'a'a'a'anyway.

If it was my house I'd tell them to bugger (excuse te pun) off as well.

Chris L

So would it have been OK to have refused them a room if they were black? Asian? Saudi Arabian (for fear of being a terrorist - based on the rational arguements in this thread, I can see someone quoting that)?

Where do you draw the line? As a 'straight' guy with two close gay friends, it makes me very sad to see this kind of stuff posted up. Both the guys I know have lost so-called 'friends' when they said they were gay. Personally it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Both these people I'm proud to call good firends - one I've known since I was 12 (more than half my life).

I know that if this happened to either of them, they would be incredibly upset and embarrassed.

Chris

The Guv'nor

All places open to the public reserve the right to refuse entry to anybody for any reason. If he doesn't want that type of thing going on in his establishment then he is perfectly within his rights to deny them. However business is business and I think he should've taken their money and ignored anything else.



T.G.

Senior_AP

I know a few gay males. I myself have been to a gay bar where I had an enjoyable evening. I have no problem with homosexualuality at all.

I'm just defending the rights of the chap that owned the place. Yes it was a B&B but it was also his home. He doesn't want a gay couple there then that is totally his decision.

Totally, 100% his choice.

He is equally within his rrights to turn away Blacks/Asians/Whites/Oriental etc etc.

Senior_AP

Exactly.

Apparition

AP I suppose you WERE joking about your antics with this lady friend of yours?

mj

maybe years ago, a similar scenario coined the phrase " sticks like **** to a blanket "


4K post well & truly wasted

imlach

He's within his rights, of course, but if he is running a B&B, you'd expect some degree of tolerance. Otherwise, why run a B&B?

He may have had paedophiles in his B&B, or rapists, murderers, domestic violence perpetrators, assulters, etc.....but because they don't visibly show their "sins", they are "ok".

If he's so homophobic, he may as well write it on his sign/adverts. Or perhaps that'd be bad for business

mj

Apparition,AP, was telling a little fib, he did't spit

ProperCharlie

except that he isn't.

under european law he could be prosecuted for discriminating against people in the way that he offers his services.

Senior_AP

They were obvious. If you don't know about it then you simly don't know.

It was in the Scottish highlands so its a bit rare you'd get that me thinks.

The Guv'nor

I thought it was still illegal between man and woman?

Senior_AP

Exactly why we shouldn't join Europe. But thats another thread altogether.

It is "HIS HOUSE" FFS !!!!!

Chris L

Well no they don't. They have a reasonable right to refuse entry, but they can't deny on the grounds of sexuality, race etc. Your rights under the law do not allow for that.

At this rate we might as well take up aparthide, segregate the schools and start burning people at the stake again.

kob999

That right has already been tested in the European courts and it is not a right of absolute refusal. There has to be a clear non predjudicial reason. A bar that refuses entry unless you are wearing a shirt is perfectly entitled to do so, but if the same bar refused entry on the grounds of race or sexual orientation then it owners could be prosecuted as is probably the case in this situation should the guys involved decide to press ahead with it.

For the anti EU lobby the same rights would be expected from a UK court were te case tried there

ProperCharlie

it's his house, but my running a b&b service, he has turned his house into business premises.

imlach

Err....yes, that's right....gay people only exist in certain areas?????

Chris L

UK law accounts for discrimination on it's own - it's not just European law. It maybe his house, but he is also running a business. More fool him for losing the money.

The Guv'nor

You're kidding me right??????
Does that mean Shaun can't kick people off here if he doesn't like what people say or do? I think not.
Same as the sweet shop that won't let more than 2 kids in at once.

Besides, he didn't kick them out he offered them individual rooms. Sounds like good business acumen to me, twice the rent!!

T.G.

Senior_AP

IT IS HIS HOUSE!!!

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

Chris, the point is not at all about why the people were (not turned away but) offered more suitable accomadation (in his eyes).
for all we know, he is:
gay himself and fancied the older one.
worried about other residents feelings.
a million reasons exist I to date we havent had them.

whether they were gay, straight, white, black, asian whatever, does this man have the right to decide for whatever reason who stays in his gaff?
I believe so.

why does this make the headlines?
because its against the pc brigade and we cant have that.
perish the thought.

Chris L

No he's right - those guys could have sued him. Although I'm sure they were embarrased enough at the time without dragging this through court.