Ferrari- Cheats!
Ferrari- Cheats!
09 May 2004, 02:36 PM
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hmm 20ish blokes all with 1 or 2 set jobs to do, which they do and practice all the time.
Yet somehow they happen to get it wrong when it is needed to be right. Personally I think it equates to race fixing and they should be fined and stripped of points
Yet somehow they happen to get it wrong when it is needed to be right. Personally I think it equates to race fixing and they should be fined and stripped of points
09 May 2004, 02:39 PM
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I think its cheating the fact the car can be reprogrammed for Schumacher after his exhaust broke. Its not about driving any more, its about who has the best computers, programmers and analysts. If something breaks then it should be fixed in the pits or the driver retires. Its then about the cars and the drivers skill.
The only way to make it interesting again is to 1) find some decent drivers that are of the Senna/Prost/Mansell quality and 2) take away all the bloody computers and make them drive the car instead of being remote controlled by a bunch of pcs
Everytime I watch F1 (which is very rare these days) it bores me senseless and the only thing I pay any attention to is the start where I always hope for Montoya to t-bone schumachers car on the first bend
The only way to make it interesting again is to 1) find some decent drivers that are of the Senna/Prost/Mansell quality and 2) take away all the bloody computers and make them drive the car instead of being remote controlled by a bunch of pcs
Everytime I watch F1 (which is very rare these days) it bores me senseless and the only thing I pay any attention to is the start where I always hope for Montoya to t-bone schumachers car on the first bend
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09 May 2004, 02:43 PM
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I agree with all the above points, but would like to thank the cheating b*stards, as I made £2 betting MS would win again.
Imagine betting against that!! The blokes 2 quid was mine before the lights went green.
Imagine betting against that!! The blokes 2 quid was mine before the lights went green.
09 May 2004, 03:24 PM
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team sport.....dont like it dont watch it (i dont...boring stuff) I dont watch football either but if i did i wouldnt moan about how the team got the goals or who got them- no I in team!
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ps (no I but there is an M and an E if you look hard!)
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09 May 2004, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by elgordano
Everyone hates succesfull teams......that's why you all hate Man Utd as well.
i don't remember Man. Utd. winning the championship this year
09 May 2004, 06:17 PM
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they should strip the cars of all the electronic wizardry, forget adaptive damping, go completely back to basics, make them all run on carburettors!!
I used to follow F1, and Micheal S was my idol, but it's getting very boring with him winning race after race, the rules should be changed to make the sport more competitive, that way, they'll get back the "frustrated fans" and will win over new fans as the sport won't be as predictive
I used to follow F1, and Micheal S was my idol, but it's getting very boring with him winning race after race, the rules should be changed to make the sport more competitive, that way, they'll get back the "frustrated fans" and will win over new fans as the sport won't be as predictive
09 May 2004, 06:33 PM
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Cant begrudge Schue his success, he is simply the best, and has helped develope the best team.
Not sure why the others cant keep up, a lot of the top teams have similar budgets, so it has to be a case that ferrari/Schue are just simply better.
I agree all the electronics are a negative thing, and should be removed, but if Button had had an exhaust go while running at the front, and Honda had used some electronic wizadry to let him still win the race, we'd probably be praising the system, all the teams have an equal chance regardless of whats allowed or not, I just wish one of them would start challenging so it became less boring, you never see a good battle for the lead anymore.
Not sure why the others cant keep up, a lot of the top teams have similar budgets, so it has to be a case that ferrari/Schue are just simply better.
I agree all the electronics are a negative thing, and should be removed, but if Button had had an exhaust go while running at the front, and Honda had used some electronic wizadry to let him still win the race, we'd probably be praising the system, all the teams have an equal chance regardless of whats allowed or not, I just wish one of them would start challenging so it became less boring, you never see a good battle for the lead anymore.
09 May 2004, 06:36 PM
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MS is the best! Lets not forget that he was certainly not in the best car when he won his first championship 
That was early days in his career, just think how much better he is now!
That was early days in his career, just think how much better he is now!
09 May 2004, 06:36 PM
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Flavio Briattore summed it up well - it's not Schumacher's fault it's so boring, it's the rest of them for not raising their game(s) and taking the fight to him and Ferrari.
I don't subscribe to the English way of hating someone successful
I don't subscribe to the English way of hating someone successful
09 May 2004, 06:52 PM
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The usual casual armchair fans who know precious little about the sport chipping in with the rhethoric they've picked up from the likes of The Sun and Conspiracy Theory weekly.
Stick to football - at least you seem to understand that mainly because there's precious little to understand.
And once again this is posted in the wrong forum!!
Stick to football - at least you seem to understand that mainly because there's precious little to understand.
And once again this is posted in the wrong forum!!
09 May 2004, 06:58 PM
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That's funny as when I was sat at Indy last year there were nearly 130,000 other people watching the race and not one of them was in an armchair
09 May 2004, 08:00 PM
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Agree with b20.... its not the drivers ability any more its who,s got the most money and the most advanced car....
they brag about how they are introducing this and refining that and measuring x to prove the races are not fixed and the drivers all start on the same level............... tosh
fancy using a £20 chunk of wood to slow cars down!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what divine wisdom was used to do that.... and putting grooves in the tyres
jesus these numptys get millions for these pants ideas!!!
if you want to bring F1 back to what it should be ... ie racing...
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the following needs to be implemented.
1) see all the fancy red and white rumble strips on the edges of the now everwidened corners... get rid of them!!!! just have grass or kitty litter.
if a driver is faced with an off situation he will either drive slower (enables the others to catch up) or use his ability as a driver...
2) remove any onboard telematary data and the abitlity for the car to be tweaked on the move..... it is as far as i know not legal now... but can anyone prove its not used..
3) give them one engine per race... qualifying and track days ..
4) if your car blows up .... tough... you dont get your team mates car just cos you are number one...
5) if any driver fails to challange or overtake in any race ....black flag!!!
6) any driver who gains more than 30 seconds lead will be pitted for 20 secs...
Titanium flame suit on....
oh and i forgot racing .. thats what mansell and senna used to do...
will m schumaker do a stint in indy and win the championship on his first season...... dont thinks so.....
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they brag about how they are introducing this and refining that and measuring x to prove the races are not fixed and the drivers all start on the same level............... tosh
fancy using a £20 chunk of wood to slow cars down!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what divine wisdom was used to do that.... and putting grooves in the tyres
jesus these numptys get millions for these pants ideas!!!
if you want to bring F1 back to what it should be ... ie racing...
#
the following needs to be implemented.
1) see all the fancy red and white rumble strips on the edges of the now everwidened corners... get rid of them!!!! just have grass or kitty litter.
if a driver is faced with an off situation he will either drive slower (enables the others to catch up) or use his ability as a driver...
2) remove any onboard telematary data and the abitlity for the car to be tweaked on the move..... it is as far as i know not legal now... but can anyone prove its not used..
3) give them one engine per race... qualifying and track days ..
4) if your car blows up .... tough... you dont get your team mates car just cos you are number one...
5) if any driver fails to challange or overtake in any race ....black flag!!!
6) any driver who gains more than 30 seconds lead will be pitted for 20 secs...
Titanium flame suit on....
oh and i forgot racing .. thats what mansell and senna used to do...
will m schumaker do a stint in indy and win the championship on his first season...... dont thinks so.....
mart
09 May 2004, 08:45 PM
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The usual casual armchair fans who know precious little about the sport chipping in with the rhethoric they've picked up from the likes of The Sun and Conspiracy Theory weekly.
Funny you will find that the majority of formula 1 fans are armchair fans as the majority can not travel the world to see the races - and for most you get a much better view on the television than being there anyway Funny last time I picked up a paper it certainly wasn't the sun and I never read about formula one in any of the press anyway so misjudge away Tiggers And yes I have been to f1 - I went to the last race at Brands where Mansell won and I was a guest of Jaguar so had a fantastic time and wont ever forget the atmosphere. However I wouldn't waste my time going now as its so tedious compared to what it was back then.
09 May 2004, 08:49 PM
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F1 is boring these days because the best driver is in the best car, and it is ridicously reliable as well.
You just know that if MS is on pole he will win, in fact if he is anywhere near the front he will win. Its up to the others to improve, although boring waiting for it to happen!
You just know that if MS is on pole he will win, in fact if he is anywhere near the front he will win. Its up to the others to improve, although boring waiting for it to happen!
09 May 2004, 09:08 PM
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B20 - if you find it a dull and boring sport why comment on it.
I also stick by my statement - if people think Ferrari are cheating based on today's performance then they know nothing about the sport other than what they read in press such as The Sun (note the such as - you missed it last time). So you are more than welcome to bow down to my superior knowledge and intellect on this subject - on you go!!
I also stick by my statement - if people think Ferrari are cheating based on today's performance then they know nothing about the sport other than what they read in press such as The Sun (note the such as - you missed it last time). So you are more than welcome to bow down to my superior knowledge and intellect on this subject - on you go!!
09 May 2004, 09:12 PM
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Once again you seem to be missing the point.
I don't think they are cheating based on the performance. Granted they are the best team and they deserve to win. I just think they are manipulating the results within there team to break records.
f people think Ferrari are cheating based on today's performance
09 May 2004, 09:20 PM
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personally, i think MS is the best driver of his generation - i don't begrudge him winning. it was more fun to watch when he had to push people off the track or drive round them to win - now he is usually in a race of his own. i would like to see what he would be like if in, say, a maclaren. i still think he would show those drivers a thing or two. it's just a shame that other teams haven't been able to keep up with ferrari's standards. remember, when MS joined ferrari, they were a joke team who rarely got thier cars home.