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20 February 2004, 07:42 PM
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Greater Manchester Police football club...
Nothing like a good kickabout?
http://www.channel4.co.uk/news/2004/...20_police.html
No doubt all of the officers colleagues assisting in the arrest reported their colleagues excessive use of force and using CS spray from about 2" from the guys face.
Just how many kicks can you count after the cuffs are on! Just a few bad apples, yea right!
http://www.channel4.co.uk/news/2004/...20_police.html
No doubt all of the officers colleagues assisting in the arrest reported their colleagues excessive use of force and using CS spray from about 2" from the guys face.
Just how many kicks can you count after the cuffs are on! Just a few bad apples, yea right!
21 February 2004, 12:21 AM
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Double edged sword AFAIC - you'd be the same guys who'd be ready to dish out the same and worse if the person in the video had been vandalising your scooby instead of a bus shelter?
Perhaps next time you read a post about someone vandalising a car and think to yourself - "Hell, yeah - I'd boot that guy right in the knackers!" you can reflect upon this incident too?
Perhaps next time you read a post about someone vandalising a car and think to yourself - "Hell, yeah - I'd boot that guy right in the knackers!" you can reflect upon this incident too?
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21 February 2004, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
He's still a human being who deserves treating the same as everone else.
21 February 2004, 01:26 AM
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A bit of irony in that he has the same surname as Rodney King.
If you go down towards the end of this page it looks as if Mr King has made several complaints about the treatment he has received in the past from the Manchester force and this is the sort of recompence he can expect!
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...ory=81832.html
'King says the previous complaints related to one allegation of an officer assaulting him and another incident, in which he claims he lost his job with a cable company after being arrested. He says he still has not heard from the PCA.'
So just remember everyone that if you complain to much you can expect a kicking as compensation for harassment.
View the whole video herehttp://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/video/popup/94.html
Fastbloke what is your source for the claim that he vandalised 14 cars and did 100 hrs of community service as I can not see this mentioned by Channel4 or The MEN?
If you go down towards the end of this page it looks as if Mr King has made several complaints about the treatment he has received in the past from the Manchester force and this is the sort of recompence he can expect!
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...ory=81832.html
'King says the previous complaints related to one allegation of an officer assaulting him and another incident, in which he claims he lost his job with a cable company after being arrested. He says he still has not heard from the PCA.'
So just remember everyone that if you complain to much you can expect a kicking as compensation for harassment.
View the whole video herehttp://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/video/popup/94.html
Fastbloke what is your source for the claim that he vandalised 14 cars and did 100 hrs of community service as I can not see this mentioned by Channel4 or The MEN?
21 February 2004, 01:55 AM
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The problem for the copper is that it WAS pre-meditated. The video shows him refraining from kicking as members of the public went past, then resuming his kicking. This shows he KNOWS he was doing something wrong, and given he is in his professional capacity as a cop, cannot just go around dishing the dirt, no matter how angry they feel against this chap.
Legally, every person in the UK has rights even when arrested, so if the cop is caught in the act, 'fraid he has to take the $hit. Obviously this kind of behaviour no doubt goes on in the force, but I'm sure we don't see the half of it.
Legally, every person in the UK has rights even when arrested, so if the cop is caught in the act, 'fraid he has to take the $hit. Obviously this kind of behaviour no doubt goes on in the force, but I'm sure we don't see the half of it.
21 February 2004, 09:15 AM
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I bet if he had been white it would never have made it on to telly. Any scum bag who resists arrest like this moron deserves what they get - it was hardly as though they beat the living crap out of him for christ sake (no mention of broken ribs or serious injury for a start). I don't care what colour any person is if they resist arrest like this idiot then expect physical force. I should imagine there are loads of arrests like this everyday that include white people but because this one was caught on telly and he was black that means it must have been a racial attack More like they were feked off with him trying to get away and flailing his arms about and resisting arrest that he got a kicking. But oh no in this country it will never be looked at that way as the non white person is always the victim
Edited to say if he hadn't committed a crime then he wouldn't have been in this position in the first place so he would do good to learn from his experiences then wouldn't he! Someone finally gets a little bit of justice at last and now he is going to sue the police allegedly. ******* joke
To make this clear though, if he hadn't resisted arrest like he did and got the same treatment then I would be fully supporting the views of those who are outraged by this incident.
I bet if he had been white it would never have made it on to telly. Any scum bag who resists arrest like this moron deserves what they get - it was hardly as though they beat the living crap out of him for christ sake (no mention of broken ribs or serious injury for a start). I don't care what colour any person is if they resist arrest like this idiot then expect physical force. I should imagine there are loads of arrests like this everyday that include white people but because this one was caught on telly and he was black that means it must have been a racial attack
More like they were feked off with him trying to get away and flailing his arms about and resisting arrest that he got a kicking. But oh no in this country it will never be looked at that way as the non white person is always the victim Edited to say if he hadn't committed a crime then he wouldn't have been in this position in the first place so he would do good to learn from his experiences then wouldn't he! Someone finally gets a little bit of justice at last and now he is going to sue the police allegedly. ******* joke
To make this clear though, if he hadn't resisted arrest like he did and got the same treatment then I would be fully supporting the views of those who are outraged by this incident.
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21 February 2004, 09:22 AM
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I couldn't believe what I was seeing, I intervened in a situation similar to that about 20 years ago and the other guy who came across to see if the "victim" was OK got arrested? I had to go to court in his defence and he got off, if I ever witness anything similar to the footage on the news I would do it again, there is absolutely NO excuse for treating anyone in that manner, CS from inches away, multiple life threatening kicks to the head and then the gut wrenching impact of his head on the top of the back door of the van, everyone party to that mindless exhibition of violence should be sacked - no if's or buts, Puts the image of todays police "service" back years in my opinion, interested to hear the views of the many serving cops on here on this one,
Edit; The guy was handcuffed and restrained when the assault happened, hardly a big threat then is he?
Puts the image of todays police "service" back years in my opinion, interested to hear the views of the many serving cops on here on this one,Edit; The guy was handcuffed and restrained when the assault happened, hardly a big threat then is he?
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21 February 2004, 09:43 AM
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This is how the police force of "old" used to operate. Catch someone, give 'em a hiding and let 'em go. Clip round the earhole/slap probably did more good in reducing crime than the kid-gloves approach now. I imagine a lot of today's weasly criminals would think twice about committing a crime again if they thought they'd receive some pain.
The policeman who did this was stupid - he got caught on CCTV.
Not condoning what he did at all, quite the reverse, but it is a reflection on today's society in general. Too much do-gooding, PC ness, positive rights cr@p that the majority of the population are forced to accept which by association allows the "yob" culture to thrive.
I could go on, but I won't.
The policeman who did this was stupid - he got caught on CCTV.
Not condoning what he did at all, quite the reverse, but it is a reflection on today's society in general. Too much do-gooding, PC ness, positive rights cr@p that the majority of the population are forced to accept which by association allows the "yob" culture to thrive.
I could go on, but I won't.
21 February 2004, 10:17 AM
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Bravo 2 zero its tough being a white male in England isn't it all that racism you have to suffer, being denied job opportunities because of the colour of your skin, police harrassment, people not wanting you to go out with their daughters becuase you are white. I suggest you start a help group for all those other white males like yourself who are so oppressed in this country you could call it Total Whites Against Totalitarian minority rule or **** for short.
Its good to see people supporting police brutality I hope you would feel the same if a policeman beat you up dragged you to the floor then kicked you in the nuts for protesting a speeding ticket you know you deserved anyway.
Its good to see people supporting police brutality I hope you would feel the same if a policeman beat you up dragged you to the floor then kicked you in the nuts for protesting a speeding ticket you know you deserved anyway.
21 February 2004, 10:51 AM
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Burr can we take it from your statement, that this is because the kicking King received was from the officer that he had made a complaint about in the past? What would you of done in this case Burr, would you of said nothing back at the station to who ever could of taken appropriate action or would it of involved a few 'I was not looking in that direction, didn't see anything' statements as looks to of taken place in this case as it took King appearing in court for any action to be instigated against the officer involved. While the others that did nothing to stop the attack carry on as if nothing happened. From this behaviour I presume we can take it that this is a 'normal' 'everyday' occurrence which is why none of his colleagues did a thing to stop this brutality from taking place.
I don't think anyone is saying that the use of force was not needed to get the cuffs on him, as he had resisted arrest. Saying that would anyone go easily if they had been subjected to having CS gas sprayed 2" from their face?
This officer repeatedly pulled back on kicks when people walked past and when someone tried to intervene it looks as if he threatened them, as they then backed off.
FB LOL, I thought you was on a fishing trip
I don't think anyone is saying that the use of force was not needed to get the cuffs on him, as he had resisted arrest. Saying that would anyone go easily if they had been subjected to having CS gas sprayed 2" from their face?
This officer repeatedly pulled back on kicks when people walked past and when someone tried to intervene it looks as if he threatened them, as they then backed off.
FB LOL, I thought you was on a fishing trip
21 February 2004, 11:04 AM
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Luan,
Read again what B2Z says.
He hasn't made racist comments. He merely points out that the guy deserved what he got due to his behaviour whilst resisting arrest. As he states, if he hadnt commited a crime in the first place he wouldnt have been in this position. Watch the news coverage carefully and youll see him take a swipe at the cops. Or has this bit been edited out now.
I dont normally have any time for the police these days but on this occasion I can see their justification for their actions. This guy was well known to the police so I am sure they knew what he would be like on arrest. That is why I think they were justifiably heavy handed.
People are assualted by the police everyday in the UK. I just wonder if the news tweams would take the same stance if the "victim" was white.
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Read again what B2Z says.
He hasn't made racist comments. He merely points out that the guy deserved what he got due to his behaviour whilst resisting arrest. As he states, if he hadnt commited a crime in the first place he wouldnt have been in this position. Watch the news coverage carefully and youll see him take a swipe at the cops. Or has this bit been edited out now.
I dont normally have any time for the police these days but on this occasion I can see their justification for their actions. This guy was well known to the police so I am sure they knew what he would be like on arrest. That is why I think they were justifiably heavy handed.
People are assualted by the police everyday in the UK. I just wonder if the news tweams would take the same stance if the "victim" was white.
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21 February 2004, 11:15 AM
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Luan you are the **** with a response like that. Calling people names makes such a huge difference doesn't it - see me calling you a **** has such affect doesn't it?
Grow up ffs. I never said it was tough being white - I was saying that if he had been white it wouldnt have been on telly as it wouldn't make headline news. But at the earliest opportunity the people who like to call the race card will
I wouldn't be in the position in the first place as I am not a feking criminal and resisting arrest is asking for trouble as force will be used. Glad to see you like to stand up and protect the criminals of this country. I suppose you would also want him to be nice and comfortable in his cell with a TV and 5 start hotel treatment He was clearly resisting arrest in the video footage way before the cs gas was used as he was just walking off which is why they used the cs gas in the first place as he had also been flailing his arms about. He was hardly a small bloke ffs and not easy to restrain. I suppose you wanted the police just to let him go or continue trying to arrest him without force?
What makes me laugh is that if the officer had been using a baton he wouldn't have been breaching any law as he is within his right to restrain a suspect using the baton. Im sure the baton would have hurt and caused as much if not more pain and harm than a boot which to me hardly looked as though it was going in with severe viscious intent. (for those who do think it was really viscious then you have never seen a good proper kicking )
I am not defending what that individual officer did as it was not in line with restraining a suspect but at the same time the suspect resisted arrest and force was needed to keep him restrained. It has all been blown out of proportion to make headline news. Like I say I am sure there are plenty of suspects who get a bit of a kicking when resisting arrest (I know of one personally - the moron who nicked my bike and I am glad he did get a kicking and yes he was white so not a racial thing) but they certainly don't make headline news.
Grow up ffs. I never said it was tough being white - I was saying that if he had been white it wouldnt have been on telly as it wouldn't make headline news. But at the earliest opportunity the people who like to call the race card will
I wouldn't be in the position in the first place as I am not a feking criminal and resisting arrest is asking for trouble as force will be used. Glad to see you like to stand up and protect the criminals of this country. I suppose you would also want him to be nice and comfortable in his cell with a TV and 5 start hotel treatment
He was clearly resisting arrest in the video footage way before the cs gas was used as he was just walking off which is why they used the cs gas in the first place as he had also been flailing his arms about. He was hardly a small bloke ffs and not easy to restrain. I suppose you wanted the police just to let him go or continue trying to arrest him without force?What makes me laugh is that if the officer had been using a baton he wouldn't have been breaching any law as he is within his right to restrain a suspect using the baton. Im sure the baton would have hurt and caused as much if not more pain and harm than a boot which to me hardly looked as though it was going in with severe viscious intent. (for those who do think it was really viscious then you have never seen a good proper kicking
)I am not defending what that individual officer did as it was not in line with restraining a suspect but at the same time the suspect resisted arrest and force was needed to keep him restrained. It has all been blown out of proportion to make headline news. Like I say I am sure there are plenty of suspects who get a bit of a kicking when resisting arrest (I know of one personally - the moron who nicked my bike and I am glad he did get a kicking and yes he was white so not a racial thing) but they certainly don't make headline news.
21 February 2004, 11:46 AM
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Bravo the point is that he received a kicking after the cuffs where on him and whilest the other officers held him down! There is more to this story than just a suspect being treated badly, you only have to look at the previous complaints he has made and the lack of action taken.