It goes from bad to worse - can our legal system be any more of a joke?
09 February 2004, 06:12 PM
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It goes from bad to worse - can our legal system be any more of a joke?
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...122724,00.html
I can not believe they have said his sentence was too long. Makes me ******* angry. The whole justice system needs overhauling and all the mad loonies who make the laws euthenised and replaced with people with proper values in life - like human life is more important than money!!!
How can someone who commits crime like this get less of a sentence than someone who commits fraud? Protecting money is more important to the courts in this country than protecting human life
I can not believe they have said his sentence was too long. Makes me ******* angry. The whole justice system needs overhauling and all the mad loonies who make the laws euthenised and replaced with people with proper values in life - like human life is more important than money!!!
How can someone who commits crime like this get less of a sentence than someone who commits fraud? Protecting money is more important to the courts in this country than protecting human life
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09 February 2004, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Protecting money is more important to the courts in this country than protecting human life
09 February 2004, 07:01 PM
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Sod the justice system, if the b4stard killed one of my kids I would make sure I got my revenge one way or another, even if it took me years and cost me thousands.
09 February 2004, 07:10 PM
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Another triumph for the Human Rights PC brigade. They are ruining this country and it's going to get worse when the EU is enlarged.
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They are ruining this country and it's going to get worse when the EU is enlarged.UB
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09 February 2004, 09:45 PM
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09 February 2004, 09:49 PM
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Does anyone know exactly what "motoring offence" he was convicted of?? 
AFAIK, Section 1 Road Traffic Act 1988 (Causing death by dangerous driving) carries a MUCH larger sentence than quoted 6 months.....
I'm assuming he was charged with a lesser motoring offence.
As for getting double the time for his passport offence than he did for actually killing the wee boy, is it any wonder this country is in the fcuked up state it is today.
If I had my way, I'd put him, along with every member of the human rights brigade in a building and nuke them all!
The justice system in this country needs radically revamped, and we'd do well to take some lessons from the likes of the States etc.
Capital punishment anyone?
AFAIK, Section 1 Road Traffic Act 1988 (Causing death by dangerous driving) carries a MUCH larger sentence than quoted 6 months.....
I'm assuming he was charged with a lesser motoring offence.
As for getting double the time for his passport offence than he did for actually killing the wee boy, is it any wonder this country is in the fcuked up state it is today.
If I had my way, I'd put him, along with every member of the human rights brigade in a building and nuke them all!
The justice system in this country needs radically revamped, and we'd do well to take some lessons from the likes of the States etc.
Capital punishment anyone?
09 February 2004, 11:07 PM
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He was only convicted of driving without a licence, no insurance, no MOT etc and nothing to do with killing the boy Have just seen it on the local news and the eyewitness who he overtook said he never even braked for the little boy who was crossing the road and he just carried on driving even after he hit him The state of the car that they showed was horrendous, bonet all smashed in and the windscreen shattered. How that is not dangerous driving god only knows. As they said on the interview, hit and run drivers should be convicted of manslaughter
How he can get away with this is beyond me. I hope someone gets him good and proper and causes him severe amounts of pain and suffering The more I see on this story the more it sickens me.
And then there is the mother who killed her own daughter and best friend by driving too fast and she only got 2 years in jail too. WTF are these judges on???
There is no justice in this countrys legal system
Have just seen it on the local news and the eyewitness who he overtook said he never even braked for the little boy who was crossing the road and he just carried on driving even after he hit him The state of the car that they showed was horrendous, bonet all smashed in and the windscreen shattered. How that is not dangerous driving god only knows. As they said on the interview, hit and run drivers should be convicted of manslaughter How he can get away with this is beyond me. I hope someone gets him good and proper and causes him severe amounts of pain and suffering
The more I see on this story the more it sickens me. And then there is the mother who killed her own daughter and best friend by driving too fast and she only got 2 years in jail too. WTF are these judges on???
There is no justice in this countrys legal system
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09 February 2004, 11:13 PM
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Being unfamiliar with the in's-and-outs of the incident, I can't really comment, but going by what you say, how in the blue hell wasn't he charged with causing death by dangerous driving, unless the little boy was at fault.....
Second thoughts.... out of respect for the little boy and his family, lets not dicuss whether the little boy was at fault or not as it won't change anything.
Shame, damn shame
Second thoughts.... out of respect for the little boy and his family, lets not dicuss whether the little boy was at fault or not as it won't change anything.
Shame, damn shame
10 February 2004, 09:51 AM
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as an overview, if so many people (all creeds/ colours & religions) in this country think/ feel like this, what in a supposed democracy are we to do to actually make a change to socierty? When is a credible voice of reason & decency going to speak up for the silent majority, without the fear of racist/ PC jibes and with the backing of people who want to quietly go about their lives and actually feel some positiverty about bringing up their children?
10 February 2004, 10:44 AM
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I don't think it will happen under this useless government we have ATM. I'd prefer the tories (warts and all) to this lot. At least you pretty much know what you're getting with them, and I'm sure they would sort out the migration and law and order issues in a way the majority would feel reasonably happy about.
Vote the buggers out.
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Vote the buggers out.
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10 February 2004, 11:57 AM
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I think Katana made the most telling point about how a person's worth is measured. It is very obvious now that money seems to be the most important thing in life. In earlier days people were taught that it was better not to worship money and that it it generates a poor set of values in life. This is being proved to us all now and modern day selfishness and greed is the result.
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10 February 2004, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by talizman
unless the little boy was at fault.....
Second thoughts.... out of respect for the little boy and his family, lets not dicuss whether the little boy was at fault or not as it won't change anything.
Shame, damn shame
Second thoughts.... out of respect for the little boy and his family, lets not dicuss whether the little boy was at fault or not as it won't change anything.
Shame, damn shame
I think that pedestrians need educating and blaming just as much as motorists.
Roads are for cars, pavements are for pedestrians if a pedestrian wants to cross the road they should use a zebra crossing, if there is not enough zebra crossings in your town to cross safely then take it up with the council. Jaywalking is illegal in lots of countries, maybe it should be in the UK aswell.
Over here you can lose your licence even if you are a pedestrian for crossing the road on a RED MAN. also the population uphold it and enforce it.
It makes me laugh but it works.
10 February 2004, 12:34 PM
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For the record the boy did run out in front of the car after his two mates, his mates made it across but the little boy hesitated and then continued and was fatally struck
The point here is that the eye witnesses said that the driver of the car never braked, swerved or took any evasive action whatso ever and just carried on driving as though nothing had happened. He never stopped and when initially questioned he denied all knowledge of it even though his car was smashed to bits at the front
Its the fact he never tried to avod the boy, never braked or anything and the fact it was hit and run to me means he should be held liable for manslaughter. He never tried to help the little boy after hitting him, he calously just drove off
Yes the little boy ran out but from the witnesses account there was opportunity for the driver to take some action, something he never did
Its a very tragic story and one that I hope will come back and haunt the scum who did it for the rest of his life.
The point here is that the eye witnesses said that the driver of the car never braked, swerved or took any evasive action whatso ever and just carried on driving as though nothing had happened. He never stopped and when initially questioned he denied all knowledge of it even though his car was smashed to bits at the front
Its the fact he never tried to avod the boy, never braked or anything and the fact it was hit and run to me means he should be held liable for manslaughter. He never tried to help the little boy after hitting him, he calously just drove off
Yes the little boy ran out but from the witnesses account there was opportunity for the driver to take some action, something he never did
Its a very tragic story and one that I hope will come back and haunt the scum who did it for the rest of his life.
10 February 2004, 02:07 PM
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Yes the little boy ran out but from the witnesses account there was opportunity for the driver to take some action, something he never did
This in itself can not be dangerous driving - thus the driver was prosecuted for failing to stop, failing to report and no insurance. These offences will have a maximum sentence which i think he got.
Interesting that previous threads have said that there are too many motorists in jail and that the police should be out catching real criminals - also a speed camera may have recorded his speed and given a credible support for death by dangerous.
There is no doubt that the law must change - but the current judicial system can only work within the current law.
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10 February 2004, 02:19 PM
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Felix to me though if he didnt take any action that falls into the fact he was driving without due care and attention and surely this can then lead further onto dangerous driving
Perhaps Talizman or any other member of the police could confirm what he could have been done for and how due to him taking no action such as braking etc?
No matter what now though nothing will bring this little boy back I just hope the inmates find out the driver is a child killer and treat him accordingly once he is in prison.
And I still dont understand why it cant be classed as manslaughter if its hit and run. Hit and run drivers are down there with the lowest form of scum on the roads and deserve to be locked up for a very long time - not just get done for failing to stop at the scene of an accident!!!
Perhaps Talizman or any other member of the police could confirm what he could have been done for and how due to him taking no action such as braking etc?
No matter what now though nothing will bring this little boy back
I just hope the inmates find out the driver is a child killer and treat him accordingly once he is in prison.And I still dont understand why it cant be classed as manslaughter if its hit and run. Hit and run drivers are down there with the lowest form of scum on the roads and deserve to be locked up for a very long time - not just get done for failing to stop at the scene of an accident!!!
10 February 2004, 02:41 PM
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I've always said if anyone hurts my family and they're NOT dealt with properly I wont bother with beating them up I'll just run them over as the sentence will be pathetic anyway!
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10 February 2004, 04:12 PM
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The judge imposed more sentence time then he actually could. The GF told me that there was a car in front, which had slowed down or stopped to let the three lads cross the road. Then Kamel Kadri overtook this car tragically killing the young lad.
Witness states that they thought the car was travelling slighty in excess of the 50mph limit. What gets me is that if there is a car in front of you slowing or stopped, not parked but in the road, surely you must be more aware that there could be danger in front of the said car? Thus overtaking it would be drving without due care and attention?
Baffles me...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...es/3461783.stm
Witness states that they thought the car was travelling slighty in excess of the 50mph limit. What gets me is that if there is a car in front of you slowing or stopped, not parked but in the road, surely you must be more aware that there could be danger in front of the said car? Thus overtaking it would be drving without due care and attention?
Baffles me...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...es/3461783.stm
10 February 2004, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix.
This in itself can not be dangerous driving - thus the driver was prosecuted for failing to stop, failing to report and no insurance. These offences will have a maximum sentence which i think he got.
Interesting that previous threads have said that there are too many motorists in jail and that the police should be out catching real criminals - also a speed camera may have recorded his speed and given a credible support for death by dangerous.
There is no doubt that the law must change - but the current judicial system can only work within the current law.
Interesting that previous threads have said that there are too many motorists in jail and that the police should be out catching real criminals - also a speed camera may have recorded his speed and given a credible support for death by dangerous.
There is no doubt that the law must change - but the current judicial system can only work within the current law.
My elder brother and 3 others were killed by a driver on the A13 forcing them across the central reserve into oncoming traffic, the driver had no mirrors, no MOT, bald tyres and failed to stop and he got 12 months!!! And regards the speed scamera suggestion, how many do you think it would require to have caught this, one on every second lamp post? Mmm
11 February 2004, 08:54 PM
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The sentancing policy in the uk is based on the following order
1) property, as in financial institutions / shopping outlets etc.. not b&e
2) pets any form of
3) people
as you can tell the current gov places no value on human life, if it did it would have acted years ago
" we say we're tough on crime,,, thats if we can catch em!!!!!"
1) property, as in financial institutions / shopping outlets etc.. not b&e
2) pets any form of
3) people
as you can tell the current gov places no value on human life, if it did it would have acted years ago
" we say we're tough on crime,,, thats if we can catch em!!!!!"
12 February 2004, 03:27 PM
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Its a very tragic story and one that I hope will come back and haunt the scum who did it for the rest of his life.
After that he'll be deported back to his original country, at the expense of ourselves again. Will anyone back home know what he's done? Will he tell them? Or will he just wipe it from his memory and start afresh, possibly sneaking into another country (if it's possible to get into other countries apart from the UK).
All the talk of whether he should have stopped, how fast he was going and the likes is irrelevant. The guy was an illegal, so no chance of him ever taking his test, taxing and insuring a car, etc. So he had no idea of the UK's driving rules other than what he learnt himself.
If I were knocked down, then the driver fled, lied to the police when caught, then even if I made a full recovery, I'd still want them banged up for more than 6 mths (less time off for good behaviour).
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12 February 2004, 03:49 PM
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Steve I know its unlikely (more impossible) but that is why I said 'I hope'. Personally what I would do to him is not worth going into however I sometimes think though that what comes around goes around and at some point in the future he will suffer something nasty himself. Here's hoping anyway!