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28 December 2003, 09:45 AM
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TOP TEN
1. Grease (1978)
2. The Sound Of Music (1965)
3. The Wizard Of Oz (1939)
4. West Side Story (1961)
5. Mary Poppins (1964)
6. Singin' In The Rain (1952)
7. Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)
8. Chicago (2002)
9. Oliver (1968)
10. Moulin Rouge (2001)
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1. Grease (1978)
2. The Sound Of Music (1965)
3. The Wizard Of Oz (1939)
4. West Side Story (1961)
5. Mary Poppins (1964)
6. Singin' In The Rain (1952)
7. Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)
8. Chicago (2002)
9. Oliver (1968)
10. Moulin Rouge (2001)
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28 December 2003, 10:38 AM
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For once I agree with a poll winner. Grease is a phenomenom that is still going strong today - it has all the proper elements of a musical without all the over blown pretentiosness that mars the likes of West Side Story and The Sound of Music.
It is what it is - damn good fun - nothing more nothing less -whether you see it as a movie or on stage.
The question I have is wtf is The Rocky Horror Picture Show doing in the list. It's the biggest load of sh1te to ever hit the screen/stage - the songs are pathetic, the story banal and as for the audience participation - if guys want to dress up in women's underwear they should just get on with it and not wait for this pile of crap to give them an excuse to do it!
tiggers.
It is what it is - damn good fun - nothing more nothing less -whether you see it as a movie or on stage.
The question I have is wtf is The Rocky Horror Picture Show doing in the list. It's the biggest load of sh1te to ever hit the screen/stage - the songs are pathetic, the story banal and as for the audience participation - if guys want to dress up in women's underwear they should just get on with it and not wait for this pile of crap to give them an excuse to do it!
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28 December 2003, 01:06 PM
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Grease is the Word 
lol, i see its on again for 5 hrs today !
well i love musicals, been involved in Am Dram since 1985/6
always going to the theatre and managed to get to see Chitty Chitty Bang Bang in London in the summer whilst 'working' there
these sorta things are always v subjective.
i mean i was watching some of the Top 100 Greatest Men in Music on VH1 last nite....
who won that do u suppose ? Frank Sinatra was about 15th, Elton 7th, Elvis only managed 3rd.............Michael Jackson came 2nd and for the No 1 ?
Robbie fookin Williams.....i wtf ! compared to these other people he dont get a look in.......but this is of course imho !
so same with the Musicals one.....
my all time favourite musical is Les Miserable.....where did it come in the list ?
funnily enough i bought the recently released West Side Story Special Edition a few week ago and also Mary Poppins. When money permits they just re-released Fiddler on the Roof and i'll get Chitty sometime to.
personally RHPS does not appeal and tbh if anyone really thinks the film version of Chicago was any good
lol, i see its on again for 5 hrs today !
well i love musicals, been involved in Am Dram since 1985/6
always going to the theatre and managed to get to see Chitty Chitty Bang Bang in London in the summer whilst 'working' there
these sorta things are always v subjective.
i mean i was watching some of the Top 100 Greatest Men in Music on VH1 last nite....
who won that do u suppose ? Frank Sinatra was about 15th, Elton 7th, Elvis only managed 3rd.............Michael Jackson came 2nd and for the No 1 ?
Robbie fookin Williams.....i wtf ! compared to these other people he dont get a look in.......but this is of course imho !
so same with the Musicals one.....
my all time favourite musical is Les Miserable.....where did it come in the list ?
funnily enough i bought the recently released West Side Story Special Edition a few week ago and also Mary Poppins. When money permits they just re-released Fiddler on the Roof and i'll get Chitty sometime to.
personally RHPS does not appeal and tbh if anyone really thinks the film version of Chicago was any good
28 December 2003, 04:27 PM
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i was watching some of the Top 100 Greatest Men in Music on VH1 last nite....
who won that do u suppose ? Frank Sinatra was about 15th, Elton 7th, Elvis only managed 3rd.............Michael Jackson came 2nd and for the No 1 ?
Robbie fookin Williams.....i wtf
LOL that is indeed vary sad. ‘The People’ once again demonstrate their collective stupidity when they are asked anything about culture. It seriously makes me worried about the current generation of youngsters growing up in this country that they think people like Williams are quality, let alone ‘great’ in some way.
It’s the same with voting Grease as the all time greatest musical.
It’s probably the only ‘musical’ that any of them have ever seen and an insignificant piece of froth at best. Certainly not in the same league as West Side Story or My Fair lady.
As for calling West Side Story over blown and pretentious… that is a comment that could only be made by somebody who’s never seen it. It’s a masterpiece. All the contributors agreed that it is the best musical of all time, and even Richard O'Brien offered fisty cuffs to anybody who disagreed.
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who won that do u suppose ? Frank Sinatra was about 15th, Elton 7th, Elvis only managed 3rd.............Michael Jackson came 2nd and for the No 1 ?
Robbie fookin Williams.....i wtf
LOL that is indeed vary sad. ‘The People’ once again demonstrate their collective stupidity when they are asked anything about culture. It seriously makes me worried about the current generation of youngsters growing up in this country that they think people like Williams are quality, let alone ‘great’ in some way.
It’s the same with voting Grease as the all time greatest musical.
It’s probably the only ‘musical’ that any of them have ever seen and an insignificant piece of froth at best. Certainly not in the same league as West Side Story or My Fair lady. As for calling West Side Story over blown and pretentious… that is a comment that could only be made by somebody who’s never seen it. It’s a masterpiece. All the contributors agreed that it is the best musical of all time, and even Richard O'Brien offered fisty cuffs to anybody who disagreed.
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28 December 2003, 05:02 PM
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ub,
Wrong and err.. wrong
I have seen West Side Story on stage twice and it is very very good - personally I preferred it to Grease.
As ever though you misunderstand me (probably deliberately). My comment regarding pretentiousness marring musicals such as these alludes not to the musicals themselves, but how they are perceived by the theatre going fraternity and the general public alike.
There is a certain amount of snobbishness in theatre circles (I know as I go fairly regularly) and works such as these tend to get caught up in this albeit not as much as some. The problem with this is certain sections of society feel a little alienated by the resultant reaction and hence the works themselves become tarred in the eyes of many and are perceievd as inaccessible.
Grease was never like that - it has always been a musical for the people and thus has had the opposite effect on many of the 'lovey' theatre going fraternity.
I still see younbg kids today watching Grease for the first time and being completely mesmerised by it - whether you or I like it or not it has got that certain something.
As for the Robbie Williams comment I agree he's hardly the greatest, but he is certainly talented. I replied to your comments in the post on RW the other day - you remember when you got confused between attitude/behaviour and talent.
Anyway your post of a couple of days ago declaring French and Saunders to be worth watching means all your comments on anything are now rendered worthless
Regards,
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As for calling West Side Story over blown and pretentious… that is a comment that could only be made by somebody who’s never seen it.
I have seen West Side Story on stage twice and it is very very good - personally I preferred it to Grease.
As ever though you misunderstand me (probably deliberately
). My comment regarding pretentiousness marring musicals such as these alludes not to the musicals themselves, but how they are perceived by the theatre going fraternity and the general public alike. There is a certain amount of snobbishness in theatre circles (I know as I go fairly regularly) and works such as these tend to get caught up in this albeit not as much as some. The problem with this is certain sections of society feel a little alienated by the resultant reaction and hence the works themselves become tarred in the eyes of many and are perceievd as inaccessible.
Grease was never like that - it has always been a musical for the people and thus has had the opposite effect on many of the 'lovey' theatre going fraternity.
I still see younbg kids today watching Grease for the first time and being completely mesmerised by it - whether you or I like it or not it has got that certain something.
As for the Robbie Williams comment I agree he's hardly the greatest, but he is certainly talented. I replied to your comments in the post on RW the other day - you remember when you got confused between attitude/behaviour and talent.
Anyway your post of a couple of days ago declaring French and Saunders to be worth watching means all your comments on anything are now rendered worthless
Regards,
tiggers.
28 December 2003, 05:58 PM
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Grease is very accessible to the masses imho.
bright costumes, cheery songs, school / college based. kids having fun trying to circumvent authority etc etc
bound to be popular with lots more people than the likes of other less easy to get into musicals....
bright costumes, cheery songs, school / college based. kids having fun trying to circumvent authority etc etc
bound to be popular with lots more people than the likes of other less easy to get into musicals....
28 December 2003, 06:50 PM
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Tiggers, you said
Grease is a phenomenom that is still going strong today - it has all the proper elements of a musical without all the over blown pretentiosness that mars the likes of West Side Story and The Sound of Music.
And then you said
I have seen West Side Story on stage twice and it is very very good - personally I preferred it to Grease.
Is it any surprise that I “As ever misunderstand you”
You keep shifting the goal posts.
I still see younbg kids today watching Grease for the first time and being completely mesmerised by it
Exactly. That’s the kind of mental age group it works on. It has all the intellectual content of a peanut. It’s the ones I can watch as an adult and be completely mesmerised by that I’m talking about. Anyway it seems that broadly we agree so that’s a good thing.
Robbie Williams
you remember when you got confused between attitude/behaviour and talent.
I remember you trying to pin that on me, yes. However I don’t think I have made any such mistake. Not only is Williams a yob, but IMO he has no talent. I don’t know quite how you would measure talent, but to me it usually means you have some kind of creative skill. Williams demonstrates no skill whatsoever. He doesn’t write his material and he can't play an instrument. His coarse vocal deliveries are of such limited range as to be little more than talking or shouting. His behaviour on stage is juvenile and rather pathetic to watch. I don’t regard running around and winking into the camera as performance ‘skills’ at all. And then of course there’s the ‘banter’. All that matey, matey, stuff that people love so much. That’s not what I would call a ‘skill’ either. Hopefully, one day, people will wake up to the fact that he is pretty crap. But on the results of that poll I’m not holding by breath.
UB
[Edited by unclebuck - 12/28/2003 6:51:53 PM]
Grease is a phenomenom that is still going strong today - it has all the proper elements of a musical without all the over blown pretentiosness that mars the likes of West Side Story and The Sound of Music.
And then you said
I have seen West Side Story on stage twice and it is very very good - personally I preferred it to Grease.
Is it any surprise that I “As ever misunderstand you”
You keep shifting the goal posts.I still see younbg kids today watching Grease for the first time and being completely mesmerised by it
Exactly. That’s the kind of mental age group it works on. It has all the intellectual content of a peanut. It’s the ones I can watch as an adult and be completely mesmerised by that I’m talking about. Anyway it seems that broadly we agree so that’s a good thing.
Robbie Williams
you remember when you got confused between attitude/behaviour and talent.
I remember you trying to pin that on me, yes. However I don’t think I have made any such mistake. Not only is Williams a yob, but IMO he has no talent. I don’t know quite how you would measure talent, but to me it usually means you have some kind of creative skill. Williams demonstrates no skill whatsoever. He doesn’t write his material and he can't play an instrument. His coarse vocal deliveries are of such limited range as to be little more than talking or shouting. His behaviour on stage is juvenile and rather pathetic to watch. I don’t regard running around and winking into the camera as performance ‘skills’ at all. And then of course there’s the ‘banter’. All that matey, matey, stuff that people love so much. That’s not what I would call a ‘skill’ either. Hopefully, one day, people will wake up to the fact that he is pretty crap. But on the results of that poll I’m not holding by breath.
UB
[Edited by unclebuck - 12/28/2003 6:51:53 PM]
28 December 2003, 07:01 PM
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agreed UB on Robbie.
and yes Grease certainly has its place but as ever its how u decide the Top 100 and wot gets which position......
Criteria were ????
i mean wot about the likes of Cabaret ?
an adult musical if ever there was one given its subject matter etc
then there is my personal favourite of all time Les Miserables, 3hrs ish in length, heavy going at times to follow it all so another adult orientated musical i would say.
Chitty is the opposite......
i love 'em all though, from the always on the tv having been made into films to the ones u hardly ever see these days......
and yes Grease certainly has its place but as ever its how u decide the Top 100 and wot gets which position......
Criteria were ????
i mean wot about the likes of Cabaret ?
an adult musical if ever there was one given its subject matter etc
then there is my personal favourite of all time Les Miserables, 3hrs ish in length, heavy going at times to follow it all so another adult orientated musical i would say.
Chitty is the opposite......
i love 'em all though, from the always on the tv having been made into films to the ones u hardly ever see these days......
28 December 2003, 07:20 PM
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Steve -
Grease certainly has its place but as ever its how u decide the Top 100 and wot gets which position......
Indeed. As an ‘entry level’ musical it is probably a good choice. It’s a shame that the voters don’t seem to have progressed from there yet. I noticed the programme is sponsered by the Daily Mail. Could explain a lot.
Then there is my personal favourite of all time Les Miserables, 3hrs ish in length, heavy going at times to follow it all so another adult orientated musical i would say.
Got to confess to never having seen ‘Les Mis’ but when it comes my way I’ll make a point of watching it. (It was permanently on in the West End when I was a student there, so no excuses)
i love 'em all though, from the always on the tv having been made into films to the ones u hardly ever see these days......
For me the golden era of the musical film was the 50s and early 60s. Discovering them (and the music of the period) has been a rewarding experience. People could really deliver a performance back then. When musicals went ‘all rocky’ in the 70s I generally switch off. Especially that Rocky Horror Show – ugh
UB
Grease certainly has its place but as ever its how u decide the Top 100 and wot gets which position......
Indeed. As an ‘entry level’ musical it is probably a good choice. It’s a shame that the voters don’t seem to have progressed from there yet. I noticed the programme is sponsered by the Daily Mail. Could explain a lot.
Then there is my personal favourite of all time Les Miserables, 3hrs ish in length, heavy going at times to follow it all so another adult orientated musical i would say.
Got to confess to never having seen ‘Les Mis’ but when it comes my way I’ll make a point of watching it. (It was permanently on in the West End when I was a student there, so no excuses)
i love 'em all though, from the always on the tv having been made into films to the ones u hardly ever see these days......
For me the golden era of the musical film was the 50s and early 60s. Discovering them (and the music of the period) has been a rewarding experience. People could really deliver a performance back then. When musicals went ‘all rocky’ in the 70s I generally switch off. Especially that Rocky Horror Show – ugh
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28 December 2003, 07:37 PM
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Never seen Les Mis !!!!
i've seen it bout 5/6 times i guess in London, Bristol and Plymouth, plus got the complete symphonic box set and a video of it
yep 50/60's v good, time of some big film version of musicals of course......Sound of Music / Hello Dolly....with a very young Michael Crawford ! / Guys & Dolls / The King & I etc etc
they dont make them into blockbuster films anymore....Chicago being the exception and they mite as well have not bothered.
i've seen it bout 5/6 times i guess in London, Bristol and Plymouth, plus got the complete symphonic box set and a video of it
yep 50/60's v good, time of some big film version of musicals of course......Sound of Music / Hello Dolly....with a very young Michael Crawford ! / Guys & Dolls / The King & I etc etc
they dont make them into blockbuster films anymore....Chicago being the exception and they mite as well have not bothered.
28 December 2003, 07:48 PM
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Never seen Les Mis !!!!
Shocking, eh?
One of my mates used to work on Evita as an evening job, so I saw that from the 'gods' a few times. It was the classic Elaine Page production too. Does that make up for it?
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Shocking, eh?
One of my mates used to work on Evita as an evening job, so I saw that from the 'gods' a few times. It was the classic Elaine Page production too. Does that make up for it?
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28 December 2003, 10:28 PM
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no not shocking.
i just will not ever talk to u or reply to one of your posts again, til u prove u've stood in trafalgar square at 12 noon on a wednesday singing every Les Mis song
Evita....hmmm no it dont
but as a one upmanship......does it count that i know
jon lee, yes him ! cos he was a member of our Am Dram society a few yrs ago and played the lead in Oliver and The Boyfriend for us b4 moving to London and onto other (dare i say bigger and better )things starting with Oliver in the Palladium in London.......
i just will not ever talk to u or reply to one of your posts again, til u prove u've stood in trafalgar square at 12 noon on a wednesday singing every Les Mis song
Evita....hmmm no it dont
but as a one upmanship......does it count that i know
jon lee, yes him ! cos he was a member of our Am Dram society a few yrs ago and played the lead in Oliver and The Boyfriend for us b4 moving to London and onto other (dare i say bigger and better
)things starting with Oliver in the Palladium in London....... 
