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11 May 2003, 02:26 PM
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Licence them.
Anyone who wants to buy fireworks has to get a licence, £10 from the post office or wherever.
To get your licence, you have to prove you’re over 18 and the licence is sent out to your home address within a couple of days. The licence should have their photo on it and must be produced at the shop when buying the fireworks.
That little bit of red tape and the built in delay should put off most lazy ******* from even bothering to apply.
Anyone caught messing about with fireworks with a licence gets banned forever.
Anyone caught messing about with fireworks without a licence get a BFO fine and is banned forever too.
[Edited by Mufasa - 11/5/2003 2:28:15 PM]
Anyone who wants to buy fireworks has to get a licence, £10 from the post office or wherever.
To get your licence, you have to prove you’re over 18 and the licence is sent out to your home address within a couple of days. The licence should have their photo on it and must be produced at the shop when buying the fireworks.
That little bit of red tape and the built in delay should put off most lazy ******* from even bothering to apply.
Anyone caught messing about with fireworks with a licence gets banned forever.
Anyone caught messing about with fireworks without a licence get a BFO fine and is banned forever too.
[Edited by Mufasa - 11/5/2003 2:28:15 PM]
11 May 2003, 03:10 PM
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i don't mix with the great unwashed
FB, we enforce it as well as we can. Of course it's not a perfect solution and determined people will still get them, but it should massively reduce the instances of kids as young as 8yo letting them off until 3am every night for 6 weeks, chucking them into cars, etc.
[Edited by TurboKitty - 11/5/2003 3:12:40 PM]
11 May 2003, 03:23 PM
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Reading some of the replies here it astounds me that some of you cannot get your head around the issue here. When will it hit you? When they ban something that ends up having a negative effect on you?
The responses so far have been fairly distrubuted but it seems as though there is a slight majority in favour of just banning the item in question and doing nothing about the root cause.
This goes some way towards explaining why we are heading towards a classic nanny society where the good people are bound ever more tightly by legislation and the bad people continue to do just what they like.
Scary.
[Edited by ajm - 11/5/2003 3:25:06 PM]
The responses so far have been fairly distrubuted but it seems as though there is a slight majority in favour of just banning the item in question and doing nothing about the root cause.
This goes some way towards explaining why we are heading towards a classic nanny society where the good people are bound ever more tightly by legislation and the bad people continue to do just what they like.
Scary.
[Edited by ajm - 11/5/2003 3:25:06 PM]
11 May 2003, 07:42 PM
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Oh thats a shame.... you were doing so well.... I love power tools more than fireworks!
Out of my thread please!
Out of my thread please!
For the record I am one of those DIY numpties
[Edited by civictyper - 11/5/2003 7:45:57 PM]
11 June 2003, 10:05 AM
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I fear I need to bring the old 'family' thing into this (groan).
IMHO the reason most other countries don't have problems like us (or at least at the same scale) is because they hold a higher value on the family unit. Ok some kids are just plain evil but the majority are looking for the attention that they just don't get at home. Sounds a bit far fetched but hey, lets just sweep it all under a big carpet and ban everything
[Edited by civictyper - 11/6/2003 10:05:51 AM]
IMHO the reason most other countries don't have problems like us (or at least at the same scale) is because they hold a higher value on the family unit. Ok some kids are just plain evil but the majority are looking for the attention that they just don't get at home. Sounds a bit far fetched but hey, lets just sweep it all under a big carpet and ban everything
[Edited by civictyper - 11/6/2003 10:05:51 AM]
05 November 2003, 01:37 PM
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With firework season there has been a renewed flood of "ban this, ban that" going on.
If everything that was potentially dangerous in the wrong hands were banned what would we be left with?
Surely it must be easier to force the poeple responsible to behave?
Think about it:-
They recklessly use fireworks and cause misery, we do nothing about it - they win.
They recklessly use fireworks and we ban fireworks. Now we can't enjoy private family displays as we have for decades - they win
They recklessly use fireworks, we bang them up and force them to work to repair the misery they have caused. Ditto for their parents where negligence is shown. - WE WIN!
Time to stop banning things, time to force the scum to behave. Then perhaps we can get back to the stage where people can take responsibility for their own behaviour and enjoy the freedom that comes with that.
If everything that was potentially dangerous in the wrong hands were banned what would we be left with?
Surely it must be easier to force the poeple responsible to behave?
Think about it:-
They recklessly use fireworks and cause misery, we do nothing about it - they win.
They recklessly use fireworks and we ban fireworks. Now we can't enjoy private family displays as we have for decades - they win
They recklessly use fireworks, we bang them up and force them to work to repair the misery they have caused. Ditto for their parents where negligence is shown. - WE WIN!
Time to stop banning things, time to force the scum to behave. Then perhaps we can get back to the stage where people can take responsibility for their own behaviour and enjoy the freedom that comes with that.
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05 November 2003, 01:42 PM
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Uh huh, and who pays for the extra resources needed to catch them, convict them, contain them, feed and care for them during containment, and all the other associated costs?
05 November 2003, 01:45 PM
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but ajm's got a point: we can't ban everything that is potentially dangerous. petrol is highly flamable and potentially explosive - let's ban that shall we? a kitchen knife could be used to stab someone - make everyone use plastic knives and forks...
there has to be a point where you accept a degree of risk, or the risk that something may be misused.
there has to be a point where you accept a degree of risk, or the risk that something may be misused.
05 November 2003, 01:47 PM
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dont forget rubber bands...
"you'll have someone eye out with that!!"
then you'll get the postman dropping all your mail in a puddle.... is that what you want Lance? coz that's what'll 'appen!!
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"you'll have someone eye out with that!!"
then you'll get the postman dropping all your mail in a puddle.... is that what you want Lance? coz that's what'll 'appen!!
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05 November 2003, 01:52 PM
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loads of things are explosive. wtf is a molotov cocktail made out of? do they collect a load of fireworks and painstaking remove all the explosive powder and repackage it in a milk bottle before chucking it at the spg van? no - they just go and get a jerry can full of unleaded. what about lpg cylinders - ever seen one of them go off? what about car batteries - suphuric acid in there.
ban the lot of 'em?
ban the lot of 'em?
05 November 2003, 01:53 PM
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Wouldnt it be illegal to carry a kitchen knife round the streets? But u could have a huge rocket under your arm and that would be ok?
Fireworks are explosive devices as has been said already, how can you advocate these being sold legally in corner shops?
Fireworks are explosive devices as has been said already, how can you advocate these being sold legally in corner shops?
05 November 2003, 01:56 PM
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As I've said on another thread, I think fireworks should be restricted to organised displays run by licensed people.
I'm not saying they should be banned, just that they should not be accessible, or at least, easily accesible, to just anyone. Especially children.
I'm not saying they should be banned, just that they should not be accessible, or at least, easily accesible, to just anyone. Especially children.
05 November 2003, 01:58 PM
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Why is it that if something goes bang it is perceived to be more of a dangerous weapon? Sure fireworks CAN be dangerous, as can anything in the wrong hands.
If fireworks were banned do you seriously think that the sort of people who are causing the grief with fireworks would just shrug their shoulders and join the boy scouts?
TK: To pay for it we need to prioritise spending. i.e. The government needs to stop blowing money on **** like the dome. In terms of resources then police should be pulled in from speed camera duty and regrouped into "anti scum" units. If the *******s are worknig to pay back their debt that will also contribute.
Boro: As you well know, murder cannot be truly paid for. I am not proposing any change to the way murder or manslaughter is treated, I am just saying that the people responsible should be punished. Banning something is just a cop out.
If fireworks were banned do you seriously think that the sort of people who are causing the grief with fireworks would just shrug their shoulders and join the boy scouts?
TK: To pay for it we need to prioritise spending. i.e. The government needs to stop blowing money on **** like the dome. In terms of resources then police should be pulled in from speed camera duty and regrouped into "anti scum" units. If the *******s are worknig to pay back their debt that will also contribute.
Boro: As you well know, murder cannot be truly paid for. I am not proposing any change to the way murder or manslaughter is treated, I am just saying that the people responsible should be punished. Banning something is just a cop out.
05 November 2003, 02:02 PM
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Thing is unless you spend a **** load on them for your garden display. lets face it, they look completely fecking naff anyway. Wooo-bang, wooo-bang [hang on its lit but its not doing any....] woo-bang ahhhhh, fzzzzzz, fzzzzz, wooo-bang - thats it folks, lets go back inside...
Boring as **** if you ask me
Boring as **** if you ask me
05 November 2003, 02:03 PM
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it's already illegal to let off fireworks in a public place. like i said, lots of things are explosive that are not illegal. what is the rationale behind banning them? cos some **** tried one to a dog's tail? ****s who want to be cruel to animals can find other ways to do it.
05 November 2003, 02:11 PM
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S96 - agree that the home display is usually pants, but when i was a kid i loved it. we were skint and my mum thought it was a waste of money but i used to insist that she use a month or so of my pocket money to buy a little box of fireworks. it was something i really looked forward to. anything invloving setting things on fire was a good thing to me. so future generations of pyromaniacs will not be able to do this? 
05 November 2003, 02:17 PM
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The difference is that there is no practical reason to have fireworks except for human entertainment.
The same cannot be said about petrol, kitchen knives, and rubber bands.....
THATS what makes a difference here.
Would you really be that devastated if fireworks were banned? If so, you really ought to get a life.....
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The same cannot be said about petrol, kitchen knives, and rubber bands.....
THATS what makes a difference here.
Would you really be that devastated if fireworks were banned? If so, you really ought to get a life.....
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05 November 2003, 02:20 PM
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Ive posted this in the "other" firework thread but im going to post it here too, as its relative.
Interesting FACTS...
Bonfire Night 2001
1362 people were treated in hospital after an accident involving a firework
685 of these were children under 16 (just over 50%)
Firework injuries went up by over 40% between 2000-2001
Where do most firework accidents occur?:-
40% family/private party
30% on the streets
10% organised displays
20% split over "others"
Rockets cause more accidents than any other firework
Click HERE for the full picture.
Interesting FACTS...
Bonfire Night 2001
1362 people were treated in hospital after an accident involving a firework
685 of these were children under 16 (just over 50%)
Firework injuries went up by over 40% between 2000-2001
Where do most firework accidents occur?:-
40% family/private party
30% on the streets
10% organised displays
20% split over "others"
Rockets cause more accidents than any other firework
Click HERE for the full picture.
05 November 2003, 02:21 PM
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diablo - i wouldn't be devastated, no, but i think it's an important point. wtf should we ban everything that is remotely dangerous? why are people allowed to smoke - that has no practical use, neither does alcohol. why not ban motor sport - that is only for the purposes of entertainment. why don't we all stay at home with the letterbox sealed up. it's too fookin dangerous outside...
05 November 2003, 02:29 PM
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Why?
Because unless you breath that smoke and die the **** kill no one but yourself.
Ditto alcohol, unless you beat up your wife/child/husband.
No one has ever died in motorsport who didn't choose to be there, either as a spectator or as a participant.
Its not quite the same thing.
When was the last time someone used a *** to light a bottle of vodka and chucked that at you???
Because unless you breath that smoke and die the **** kill no one but yourself.
Ditto alcohol, unless you beat up your wife/child/husband.
No one has ever died in motorsport who didn't choose to be there, either as a spectator or as a participant.
Its not quite the same thing.
When was the last time someone used a *** to light a bottle of vodka and chucked that at you???
05 November 2003, 02:31 PM
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why are people allowed to smoke - that has no practical use
why not ban motor sport - that is only for the purposes of entertainment.
05 November 2003, 02:32 PM
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what about all the innocent people who die as a result of drink driving?
what about all the kids who die in *non drink related* car accidents?
what about passive smoking?
what about air pollution giving people asthma?
what about all the kids getting obese from watching telly and eating macdonalds?
I accept that fireworks are inherently pointless but what about my civil liberty? that isn't pointless.
what about all the kids who die in *non drink related* car accidents?
what about passive smoking?
what about air pollution giving people asthma?
what about all the kids getting obese from watching telly and eating macdonalds?
I accept that fireworks are inherently pointless but what about my civil liberty? that isn't pointless.
05 November 2003, 02:40 PM
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drink driving
car accidents
passive smoking
air pollution
kids getting obese from watching telly and eating macdonalds
05 November 2003, 02:42 PM
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what about all the innocent people who die as a result of drink driving? We should BAN drink driving, oh hang on a minute, we already did that
what about all the kids who die in *non drink related* car accidents?They're called accidents
what about passive smoking? We should ban smoking in public places, oh hang on were doing that too
what about air pollution giving people asthma? Not relative
what about all the kids getting obese from watching telly and eating macdonalds? Also not relative
what about all the kids who die in *non drink related* car accidents?They're called accidents
what about passive smoking? We should ban smoking in public places, oh hang on were doing that too
what about air pollution giving people asthma? Not relative
what about all the kids getting obese from watching telly and eating macdonalds? Also not relative
05 November 2003, 02:55 PM
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what about all the innocent people who die as a result of drink driving? We should BAN drink driving, oh hang on a minute, we already did that
taken in context, Diablo said 'Ditto alcohol, unless you beat up your wife/child/husband'
what about all the kids who die in *non drink related* car accidents?They're called accidents
even if someone steals your car and kills someone with it?
So using your argument that if someone illegally uses something as a form of entertainment and kills or maims someone, then we should bann that form of entertainment entirely?
taken in context, Diablo said 'Ditto alcohol, unless you beat up your wife/child/husband'
what about all the kids who die in *non drink related* car accidents?They're called accidents
even if someone steals your car and kills someone with it?
So using your argument that if someone illegally uses something as a form of entertainment and kills or maims someone, then we should bann that form of entertainment entirely?