john_s

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http://www.publications.parliament.u...d/30306m03.htm

Have a look at section NC21 down near the bottom.

John.

scooby-new

eeeek yet more of our liberties removed.

BOB.T

Fantastic What will they think of next

SiDHEaD

WHAT A BUNCH OF ****!

Just as i get a scooby the good old lanes are removed from action.
Our government really is full of stupids *******!!!


Probly cos an "***ylum seeker" spaz got hit by a car. It can't be because of anyone BRITISH being injured.

Andy

Edit: although the school bit (got lost a bit there) is good.

[Edited by SiDHEaD - 3/10/2003 8:34:30 PM]

SWRTWannabe

Maybe if they spent more money improving the transport system instead of paying for this sh1te to be produced then less people would drive and hence accidents would be reduced.

john_s

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Forgot to add a recomendation to www.faxyourmp.com.

Could well be worth a comment as it's only proposed legislation.

Just think of all the extra bright yellow tax machines they will be able to put up to enforce all the new limits. Or is this another scheme to try to bully us out of cars?

Agree about the school bit though.

John.

Dracoro

Not sure what the problem is (apart from it being a waste of money) given that not much has changed really. Unless I've missed something?

BUT

(d) 50 mph for poor quality single carriageways;
(e) 60 mph for high quality single carriageways; and

I wonder how they measure and quantify high or poor 'quality' roads?
Given the state of roads in this country, I suspect everywhere will be 50mph limits!

STi wanna Subaru

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There should be no poor quality roads........... not for the amount we all pay in road tax!!

midget1500

STi wanna Subaru - exactly!!!

unclebuck

sounds like fun to me I know a fair few of those bring it on

SiDHEaD

dracaro: my point was the "lanes" as they call them - which often you can still get a very good view of the road (just no white lines) are now 40mph.

Aside from some town/school areas, the limits in the UK are too low for the cars of today. The slower the speed the less people concentrate on what they are doing

Dracoro

I agree to an extent, all depends on the road that's why the legislation is wrong as it brackets all non lined roads as the same.

These days, people are concentrating so much on the speedo to make sure they're not speeding that they aren't looking at the road. The biggest killer on the roads is lack of concentration and not anticipating things. This can be bred in a number of ways (fear of going 53 in a 50 so looking at the speedo all the time, getting bored as the limit is too low, being used to going fast too much of the time i.e. sit at 100 all day and then 70 feels slow, feeling tired, holding cigs/phones etc. kids in the back shouting etc. etc. etc.). It's all a question of balance.

Most speed limits in towns and cities are not really neccesary as there's so many hazards that people shouldn't need to go much over 30/40 etc. If most people speed on a certain stretch of road, it's usually an indication that the limit is too low (e.g. motorways). To slow people the road design needs to be looked at. e.g. narrower lanes, more corners/bends, even no road markings at all - some experiment somewhere has proven this to a certain extent! the drivers became more cautious as a result.


[Edited by Dracoro - 3/10/2003 11:44:13 PM]

*Sonic*

Obviously never driven round Stoke On Trent then :P

Puncture city

BuRR

The thing that people are overlooking here is that this will not be applied to all roads...

Basically, the road has to be designated by the local authority for this proposed legislation to apply.

It will be interesting to see how any local authority will show that a particular "rural" road is a designated one. Will they put signs up, at either end? on junctions? Like passing place signs?

No doubt some local authorities will lose the plot and designate all rural roads, whilst some might not designate any!

I think we'll have to wait and see on this one, unfortunately.