What the f*ck is going on in the world ?
07 January 2003, 07:58 AM
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UN admit to finding "nothing suspicious" in Iraq, yet lapdog Tony is throwing 6,000 reservists across to the Gulf.
Bush says he wants a peaceful solution, yet he's still beefing up his army.
North Korea says any sanctions against the country may be seen as an act of war.
IBM, Fullerton and another consultancy firm I know are shedding jobs by the bucket load.
WTF ?
Is this really the 21st century we all dreamed of living in ?
Bush says he wants a peaceful solution, yet he's still beefing up his army.
North Korea says any sanctions against the country may be seen as an act of war.
IBM, Fullerton and another consultancy firm I know are shedding jobs by the bucket load.
WTF ?
Is this really the 21st century we all dreamed of living in ?
07 January 2003, 08:44 AM
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Every one has gone mad....
Any one see Bremner on Sunday night...??? I may be a little wrong in my descriptions but in essence...
It was the western powers (indirectly) that put Saddam in power.
It was the western powers that sold him the arms to fight Iran (and gave him credit!!!)
It was the western powers that gave him his first weapons of mass destruction (bio & nerve agents)
Al Quaeda and Iraq are sworn enemies... The West even tried to get Bin Laden to attack Iraq AND supplied him the arms to do it!!!
I think there is a heck of a lot that we are not being told and a heck of a lot of 'hidden agenda's'...
The USA have spent 9 Trillion dollars on defence since the WWII - the economic slowdown means some powerfull people are not making enough money and starting a war could kick-start the US economy - especially in defence. Then there'e the Oil thing.... Iraq supply 11% of the world oil.... imagine the effect on USA Oil companies share prices if there was suddenly 11% LESS oil up for grabs... Prices / profits / dividends ALL go up and guess who benefits?
The Rich and powerful Oil and defence moguls (and their puppet governments)... Same thing happened in the 60's with JFK. except JFK tried to block the war with Cuba (etc) - Conspiracy theorists believe that it was the 'rich and powerful oil and defence moguls' that gone done him in!
My suggestion.... dig a big hole in your back yard and hide in it. Just because we didnt find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (and lets face it, he had long enough to hide the damn things) doesnt mean they dont exist - one way to make him admit to having them is attack him. You can bet your pension he will show them to us all then!
Not surprising to hear on the TV last night that the US Public were shocked to hear that the UK public actually DIDNT want to support them in a war with Iraq! They only hear what they are told - I guess we probably suffer from the same!
Thus endeth the rant!
Mak.
Any one see Bremner on Sunday night...??? I may be a little wrong in my descriptions but in essence...
It was the western powers (indirectly) that put Saddam in power.
It was the western powers that sold him the arms to fight Iran (and gave him credit!!!)
It was the western powers that gave him his first weapons of mass destruction (bio & nerve agents)
Al Quaeda and Iraq are sworn enemies... The West even tried to get Bin Laden to attack Iraq AND supplied him the arms to do it!!!
I think there is a heck of a lot that we are not being told and a heck of a lot of 'hidden agenda's'...
The USA have spent 9 Trillion dollars on defence since the WWII - the economic slowdown means some powerfull people are not making enough money and starting a war could kick-start the US economy - especially in defence. Then there'e the Oil thing.... Iraq supply 11% of the world oil.... imagine the effect on USA Oil companies share prices if there was suddenly 11% LESS oil up for grabs... Prices / profits / dividends ALL go up and guess who benefits?
The Rich and powerful Oil and defence moguls (and their puppet governments)... Same thing happened in the 60's with JFK. except JFK tried to block the war with Cuba (etc) - Conspiracy theorists believe that it was the 'rich and powerful oil and defence moguls' that gone done him in!
My suggestion.... dig a big hole in your back yard and hide in it. Just because we didnt find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (and lets face it, he had long enough to hide the damn things) doesnt mean they dont exist - one way to make him admit to having them is attack him. You can bet your pension he will show them to us all then!
Not surprising to hear on the TV last night that the US Public were shocked to hear that the UK public actually DIDNT want to support them in a war with Iraq! They only hear what they are told - I guess we probably suffer from the same!
Thus endeth the rant!
Mak.
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07 January 2003, 11:45 AM
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Won't the UN inspectors look bloody daft if Saddam does unleash something nuclear or biological on Israel or wherever.
And won't Bush look even more stupid if he doesn't?
And won't Bush look even more stupid if he doesn't?
07 January 2003, 12:25 PM
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Whats more worrying this time is the Iraqis rather than fighting out in the open (and being bombed into oblivion in return for virtually zero allied casualties) are concentrating on house to house fighting in cities, where it will be impossible to separate civillians from troops.
Would this happen if young Euan Blair was eligible for call up? would it ****...
Would this happen if young Euan Blair was eligible for call up? would it ****...
07 January 2003, 01:44 PM
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Here's a funny thing:
After 9-11, airlines issued a list of items that we could not bring aboard with us on the plane. This list included guns and knives (okay fair enough), mace (okay), crochet hooks (eh?), leafblowers
, and other such items. On December 22 2001, Richard Reid tried to set light to his shoes, which contained plastic explosives, with a book of matches. Would it not occur to a few of us that butane lighters and matches should also appear on the 'forbidden items' list? After all, you can't smoke at 30,000 feet so there's no need for matches and lighters up there anyway.
Well (and this is where it gets funny), lighters and matches were on the original 'forbidden' list. The list was prepared by the FAA and sent to the White House for approval, when tobacco industry lobbyists called for those items to be removed from the list. They clamed that smokers should be allowed to light up after their flight - it's unfair if they're prohibited from doing so - who cares that it's only a couple of hundred people being blasted out of the sky if future Reids have their way. The items were removed.
If that Son Of A Bush is willing to put the profits of the tobacco industry before the safety of millions of people, we shouldn't be looking to 'W' for the next move. Look to the leaders of Big Business instead.
Whoa, that was heavy.
After 9-11, airlines issued a list of items that we could not bring aboard with us on the plane. This list included guns and knives (okay fair enough), mace (okay), crochet hooks (eh?), leafblowers
, and other such items. On December 22 2001, Richard Reid tried to set light to his shoes, which contained plastic explosives, with a book of matches. Would it not occur to a few of us that butane lighters and matches should also appear on the 'forbidden items' list? After all, you can't smoke at 30,000 feet so there's no need for matches and lighters up there anyway. Well (and this is where it gets funny), lighters and matches were on the original 'forbidden' list. The list was prepared by the FAA and sent to the White House for approval, when tobacco industry lobbyists called for those items to be removed from the list. They clamed that smokers should be allowed to light up after their flight - it's unfair if they're prohibited from doing so - who cares that it's only a couple of hundred people being blasted out of the sky if future Reids have their way. The items were removed.
If that Son Of A Bush is willing to put the profits of the tobacco industry before the safety of millions of people, we shouldn't be looking to 'W' for the next move. Look to the leaders of Big Business instead.
Whoa, that was heavy.
07 January 2003, 01:49 PM
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Devils Refugee,
I just realised what you said in the first post there.
You talking about Fullarton Computer Industries in Gourock??? FCI. I used to be the Senior Engineer there until 2 years ago. I just heard from a friend that they have closed the entire factory and are planning to stop all the manufacturing in IBM greenock. It's getting moved to Hungary or China.
About 3000 jobs by my reckoning. That's pretty much the rest of Gourock and Greenock now unemployed
I just realised what you said in the first post there.
You talking about Fullarton Computer Industries in Gourock??? FCI. I used to be the Senior Engineer there until 2 years ago. I just heard from a friend that they have closed the entire factory and are planning to stop all the manufacturing in IBM greenock. It's getting moved to Hungary or China.
About 3000 jobs by my reckoning. That's pretty much the rest of Gourock and Greenock now unemployed
07 January 2003, 03:05 PM
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Aye, FCI.
Seems to me that most major manufacturers or call-centre type operations are in favour of closing shop here and punting it to another cheap country for peanuts.
Pay peanuts, you get monkeys is my thinking.......
Seems to me that most major manufacturers or call-centre type operations are in favour of closing shop here and punting it to another cheap country for peanuts.
Pay peanuts, you get monkeys is my thinking.......
07 January 2003, 03:22 PM
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I still can't believe they're closing FCI. That factory built more PCs in 1999 than any other factory on the planet has ever managed. We installed a 16 Million quid automated process just 2 years ago before I left.
They must be talking some seriously cheap labour abroad if they can just write off the cost of relocating all the kit and training 1000 new employees.
I just spoke to one of the guys who worked for me. He told me that they got a letter at new year telling them the factory was closing and they weren't to bother coming back to work after the holidays. He's been staff there for 7 years and he's getting 3 months redundancy money. The press are reporting the pay off as 500... it's actually 500 staff and about 500 temps.
I blame IBM. They don't give a toss who they screw over, long as their profits are up. They're talking about paying off 700 staff and a bunch of temps in their factory too.
They came in and took advantage of the shipyards closing in the area and got their cheap labour, now the workforce are skilled (and hence more expensive) they're just moving somewhere cheaper and leaving a devastated area behind them.
Cheers big blue...
They must be talking some seriously cheap labour abroad if they can just write off the cost of relocating all the kit and training 1000 new employees.
I just spoke to one of the guys who worked for me. He told me that they got a letter at new year telling them the factory was closing and they weren't to bother coming back to work after the holidays. He's been staff there for 7 years and he's getting 3 months redundancy money. The press are reporting the pay off as 500... it's actually 500 staff and about 500 temps.
I blame IBM. They don't give a toss who they screw over, long as their profits are up. They're talking about paying off 700 staff and a bunch of temps in their factory too.
They came in and took advantage of the shipyards closing in the area and got their cheap labour, now the workforce are skilled (and hence more expensive) they're just moving somewhere cheaper and leaving a devastated area behind them.
Cheers big blue...
07 January 2003, 04:20 PM
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The bit that gets me going is when the government/US government say "we have evidence that Saddam has WoMD, but we can't show it you, tell you what it is, or produce it. Just believe us. Then we can start the next war."
How can we be so stupid? And no-one else, (TV, papers etc), seems to pick up on it.[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
A very unsettled Alcazar
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How can we be so stupid? And no-one else, (TV, papers etc), seems to pick up on it.[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
A very unsettled Alcazar
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07 January 2003, 04:25 PM
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How can we be so stupid?
07 January 2003, 05:04 PM
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Baaaaaaaa-baaaaaaaaa
I'll follow you anywhere Tony/Bush/<insert world leader here>...
Idiots.
I'm sick of the propoganda machine steamrolling over independant thought. The country is populated my mindless zombies who are unfortunately in the majority (present company accepted
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I'll follow you anywhere Tony/Bush/<insert world leader here>...
Idiots.
I'm sick of the propoganda machine steamrolling over independant thought. The country is populated my mindless zombies who are unfortunately in the majority (present company accepted
)
07 January 2003, 05:17 PM
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I'm leaving the armed forces at precisely the right time - what inspired timing.
I pity the poor ******* that will inevitably get killed (from friendly fire).
I pity the poor ******* that will inevitably get killed (from friendly fire).
07 January 2003, 05:26 PM
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What gives the US, UK, France,Oz, China etc the right to have WoMD anyway. If its OK for them to have these weapons why not Iraq. After all what have they done to hurt the US, UK etc.
Seems to me the US always has to butt in when something happens. Unless of course the country concerned has no use or effect on them.
As for Blair, after all the bull****,lies and deceit weve had from him and his government would you really want to trust him to take us into war. I personally dont think so. Thank god Im over 40.Not that Id go anyway.
Chip.
Seems to me the US always has to butt in when something happens. Unless of course the country concerned has no use or effect on them.
As for Blair, after all the bull****,lies and deceit weve had from him and his government would you really want to trust him to take us into war. I personally dont think so. Thank god Im over 40.Not that Id go anyway.
Chip.
08 January 2003, 01:01 AM
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One thing is for sure war with Iraq is nasty,but not half as nasty as doing nothing and waiting till' sad lad Hussain "accidently" gives a nuke to Al Queda so they can nuke us/usa it's a very very very complex situation but, be assured, however dangerous the actions of USA/UK may seem you can bet your $rse that the REAL(intel. svcs) people who know all the info. know what the risks are if USA/UK do nothing . International politics is a very misleading subject on the face of it,that's why unless you watch lots of news progs. one would get a very basic picture of the problems faced by the world today .
"disarming Iraq(hence Al Qaeda ,in part) by force is a risky proposition,but not half as risky as not disarming them"
We are left with little choice ,"if we want peace and freedom then we'll have to fight for it"
Sad but ultimately true if Sadlad Hussain remains uncompliant.
so they can nuke us/usa it's a very very very complex situation but, be assured, however dangerous the actions of USA/UK may seem you can bet your $rse that the REAL(intel. svcs) people who know all the info. know what the risks are if USA/UK do nothing . International politics is a very misleading subject on the face of it,that's why unless you watch lots of news progs. one would get a very basic picture of the problems faced by the world today ."disarming Iraq(hence Al Qaeda ,in part) by force is a risky proposition,but not half as risky as not disarming them"
We are left with little choice ,"if we want peace and freedom then we'll have to fight for it"
Sad but ultimately true if Sadlad Hussain remains uncompliant.
08 January 2003, 07:59 AM
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"from a planet of partly evolved monkeys"
You know, that Raelian cult explanation of life on Earth doesn't sound so far-fetched when you look at the world today !
You know, that Raelian cult explanation of life on Earth doesn't sound so far-fetched when you look at the world today !
08 January 2003, 12:28 PM
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FTAO Matty01....
Al Quaeda and Iraq are sworn enemies. The only thing that could possibly bring them together against the west(assuming Bin Laden is prepared to ditch his religious values... which is a bit of a tall order) is if we attack them both (ie. invade Iraq)
We only have our own governments to blame...
The West created a democracy (!!!) out of Iraq and created the environment where Saddam could get into power.
'WE' (the West) armed Bin Laden AND supported him as a leader of Guerillas when the USSR invaded Afghanistan...
There is SO MUCH we dont know....
Mak.
Al Quaeda and Iraq are sworn enemies. The only thing that could possibly bring them together against the west(assuming Bin Laden is prepared to ditch his religious values... which is a bit of a tall order) is if we attack them both (ie. invade Iraq)
We only have our own governments to blame...
The West created a democracy (!!!) out of Iraq and created the environment where Saddam could get into power.
'WE' (the West) armed Bin Laden AND supported him as a leader of Guerillas when the USSR invaded Afghanistan...
There is SO MUCH we dont know....
Mak.