Mr Fuji

Pretty serious ****, a world power starts full scale military attack on another sovereign nation. Where is this one going to go?

Rusti

iTrader: (4)

Its serious indeed and it would appear Putin really doesnt care about the consequences this time.

mrtheedge2u2

There is not much point in going to war with him as he genuinely doesn't care for huge losses of lives on either side. All that can be done is to bankrupt them as quickly as possible. Every Russian asset should be seized, every company should be barred from doing business with Russia or a Russian company and Russia should lose all access to the Swift platform. They would very quickly run out of money

Rusti

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Harsh to say it I know with the potential loss of life but just how much do we think fuel is going to go up by?

Mr Fuji

A lot! This will not be good for economies in general.

mrtheedge2u2

it is time to really, really speed up the complete move to non-fossil fuel energy

Rusti

iTrader: (4)

Then we can be beholden to the Chinese instead

IdonthaveaScooby

looking very good for arms suppliers

and the zionist mafia money behind them

JdmSti2006

Its only one person,with him gone others will do nothing.
He will kill thousands due to war and others due to lack of food.

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Don't worry the EU/UN/NATO are all going to have a meeting about impossing sanctions on Russia. If that doesn't work they will write a strongly worded letter to Putin.

Mr Fuji

He's played this very well. He knows NATO will not commit, as that only leads to one place, which no one wants. Putin plays the west like a puppet, every time. Stalin would be proud.......

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

Please enlighten us with the conspiracy version of these events, might at least lighten the mood a bit.

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

Agree, still the reality is the West has bottled it. Had we come out and said Ukriane will get the full benefit of Nato support at least there would be a chance he might stand down.

RobJenks

In 1945 after Germany was defeated by the allies , Churchill-OUR GREATEST BRITON - wanted to drive East into Russia and destroy the threat from the communist block.
The yanks would not support him .
Then we had the disgrace of Maclean , Burgess, Philby and the queer Blunt - These traitors handed over to the soviets the secrets of the atom bomb..
Because of these past events, is where we are today - On the f ucking brink

Mr Fuji

I can think of several greater...... But, going to war against the Soviets in the summer of 1945 was not really an option. The Red army had huge strength, home advantage, and we hadn't, at that point, successfully tested the bomb. Japan needed to be defeated, they were still the enemy, there was not the will todo it. Selling attacking your ally to your respective electorates when millions had already died defeating the Axis, alongside the Soviets, was just never going to happen.

Also, we needed the Soviets to open the second front against Japan, which led to the defeat and saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives of US soldiers. Without that, the war could have dragged on to 1946, even 1947

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I wondered how long it would be before he piped up with this nonsense ...

IdonthaveaScooby

How many genocidal campaigns has Russia launched , thousands and thousands of miles from home

including letting off an Atom bomb


???

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Yeah, and if you can't justify your original point, go off on a complete tangent and drag up any and every unrelated subject you can as a distraction.
You're as predictable as Putin.

fpan

iTrader: (11)

With today's price increase it will go up by ~5p per lt I reckon.

IdonthaveaScooby

Its difficult to imagine quite how this could be more relevant

BMWhere?

If only the Tory party wasn't so heavily financed by the Russians, maybe they would be imposing sanctions with a bit more meat! Germany's dependence on Russian gas is also a huge problem.

The sad thing is that in the end it is only the Russian people who suffer, as they find their ability to travel and the attitudes towards them suffer! And for what? Some old wrinkly harping back to the "glory days" of the past ... somehow sounds familiar

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

There you go again, focusing on the tangent you brought up, instead of your original point.

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

It is already having an affect.

https://news.sky.com/story/oil-smash...raine-12550040

IdonthaveaScooby

There is a huge amount of money to be made out of weapons provision and conflict , so the more conflict that be created the better - money invented out of nothing

All at the expense your tax dollars

How difficult is this to understand ?

doubt less you still believe Douma gas attack was all Assad

Lozgti2

So is WW3 on the way ?

Being a bit thick as I am

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Surely even Putin isn't dumb enough to take on NATO single handedly.

Rusti

iTrader: (4)

I guess it depends if China back him?

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

It has been said that's it's likely he would have got Chinese support before going ahead.

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

So you are saying Putin is launching a war to benefit the western arms suppliers ?

Mr Fuji

What atom bomb was this? Only two have been used in anger, both by the US, against one country