Pace notes for the ring?
19 June 2002, 11:38 AM
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Going to the Nurburgring next month and as its a bit on the long side, I was wondering if pace notes exist. The only reason I ask is that I've heard countless horror stories of coming over blind crests which look identical to the last one which was a 140mph sweeper only this time its a 40mph hairpin. Does anyone have any? Even a URL with them on would do...
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Cheers in advance,
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19 June 2002, 12:38 PM
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Failing that, why not get some deluded fool to sit in with you and tell you what comes next? They could also advise on lines. Or you could have some passenger laps before venturing out.
Go on then, twist my arm, I'll sit in with you / give you passenger laps. Admittedly its a Skoda, but that could be a good thing as at least you'll be going slow enough to take whatever notes you want.
Failing that, have a look at Ben's site www.nurburgring.org.uk or for bend descriptions (like your pace note idea http://www.sioux-online.com/~dingsda...rdschleife.htm
Hope that helps.
Go on then, twist my arm, I'll sit in with you / give you passenger laps. Admittedly its a Skoda, but that could be a good thing as at least you'll be going slow enough to take whatever notes you want.
Failing that, have a look at Ben's site www.nurburgring.org.uk or for bend descriptions (like your pace note idea http://www.sioux-online.com/~dingsda...rdschleife.htm
Hope that helps.
19 June 2002, 01:07 PM
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Better still, I got Ben Lovejoy to be my passenger and talk me through it a few times.
I'm still cr@p though.
Oh and don't follow someone who looks as if they know what they are doing. You could end up in the armco very quickly that way. Just make sure you do your own thing and DON'T time yourself as this is the path to boot hill.
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I'm still cr@p though.
Oh and don't follow someone who looks as if they know what they are doing. You could end up in the armco very quickly that way. Just make sure you do your own thing and DON'T time yourself as this is the path to boot hill.
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19 June 2002, 01:22 PM
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19 June 2002, 01:37 PM
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19th to 22nd July mate. Going with some people from here. Providing my new brakes and poly suspension bushes go on. Fancy coming along? Would be double bossak if the Grale was fixed and could come along too.
Gwarn! you know you want to!
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P.S. Cheers for all the links boys, I'm reading through them now.
19th to 22nd July mate. Going with some people from here. Providing my new brakes and poly suspension bushes go on. Fancy coming along? Would be double bossak if the Grale was fixed and could come along too.
Gwarn! you know you want to!
astraboy.
P.S. Cheers for all the links boys, I'm reading through them now.
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19 June 2002, 11:31 PM
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Firstly, there are no unlimited speed sections of the autobahn on the way to the ring, please dont do 140MPH side by side as you will end up in jail!
Now then, pace notes for the ring, dont go there! Take your time, build your speed slowly and learn at your own pace. Everyone has diferent capabilities.
Ask a regular ringer if you can follow them for a slow lap just to get a feel for the type of lines required. It's less helpful to have someone telling you where to go as the first time they arent there you will forget as you arent concentrating as much on learning the track. I should be there that weekend, very happy to do a slow lap as you follow.
Warning sign number 1, you feel you know the track enough to start pushing. Trust me, you dont! Thats when most crashes ocur, the real danger is around 10-30 laps. You think you know it but unless you have a very good memory for tracks and have plenty of experience of reading a race track you will only end up in a mess.
There is nothing wrong with timing your laps, there is a whole heap of things wrong with trying to set a lap time. I hope you see the diference.
One things for sure, you will enjoy it as long as you are sensible.
Now then, pace notes for the ring, dont go there! Take your time, build your speed slowly and learn at your own pace. Everyone has diferent capabilities.
Ask a regular ringer if you can follow them for a slow lap just to get a feel for the type of lines required. It's less helpful to have someone telling you where to go as the first time they arent there you will forget as you arent concentrating as much on learning the track. I should be there that weekend, very happy to do a slow lap as you follow.
Warning sign number 1, you feel you know the track enough to start pushing. Trust me, you dont! Thats when most crashes ocur, the real danger is around 10-30 laps. You think you know it but unless you have a very good memory for tracks and have plenty of experience of reading a race track you will only end up in a mess.
There is nothing wrong with timing your laps, there is a whole heap of things wrong with trying to set a lap time. I hope you see the diference.
One things for sure, you will enjoy it as long as you are sensible.
20 June 2002, 12:43 AM
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Why are you trying to condradict me John 
I found that having a ringer for a guide in the car very helpfull, he pointed out loads of stuff that I'd missed. I passed this info onto other peeps as well. Next is to be slow yourself and learn the ring gradually as pace notes are dodgy (I agree with John here).
I also agree that some people push hard after only 5 - 10 laps as it's very easy to get carried away (time is short and the cost of laps add up so temptation is there to go faster).
I disagree about following others, what might be a slow lap for you John may get someone else into a lot of bother.
I agree about setting lap times, I guarantee that some people on the trip will be regailing stories of their laps times, in the cafe afterwards. Don't be tempted to join in and beat the times.
Otherwise, wise words mate.
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I found that having a ringer for a guide in the car very helpfull, he pointed out loads of stuff that I'd missed. I passed this info onto other peeps as well. Next is to be slow yourself and learn the ring gradually as pace notes are dodgy (I agree with John here).
I also agree that some people push hard after only 5 - 10 laps as it's very easy to get carried away (time is short and the cost of laps add up so temptation is there to go faster).
I disagree about following others, what might be a slow lap for you John may get someone else into a lot of bother.
I agree about setting lap times, I guarantee that some people on the trip will be regailing stories of their laps times, in the cafe afterwards. Don't be tempted to join in and beat the times.
Otherwise, wise words mate.
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