I'm always a bit slow on the uptake, but why are UK and America so anti China at the moment ? We seem to be having a pop at Russia too for good measure

 

Basicly china gov has its hands in all the big companies in china, so we dont want chinese tech in our critical networks. Plus it looks likley they are carrying out genocide.

russia just looks after itself and f*ck you to anyone else or international law. Add to the fact they keep getting caught doing bad things to other countrys then try to deny it no one trusts them.

 

We havnt forced people to change their religion here . In several hundred years !

 

 

Ha , you just voted brexit on threat of 1000's islamists rocking up from Turkey

 

You really have me puzzled where above are getting this from.

 

Ok

 

The Chinese are pretty blatantly targeting Uighars and sending them to 're-education' centres (i.e Prison/concentration camps) for 15 yrs+ a pop - for the flimisest of excuses - they interviewed a young lady on R4 this morning who hasnt heard from her family in 3 years (mother, father, brother) - they have been sent to a 'prison' - the father for 17yrs, mother 15yrs, brother (for allegedly having a photo on his phone showing a religious practice) 9yrs.
Pretty shocking really in this day & age. genocide by another name.
China's human rights violations are catching up with it - and Hong Kong is'nt helping either..... the HK'ers can see whats coming!

 

As above really, what really angers me is while all the above is going on we were all pals and everything is OK.

It only took up until Teresa May (blocking nuclear deal) and Trump to finally get the ball rolling albeit for different reasons.


Why we spent over a decade allowing a country who allows its industries to counterfeit, launder, hoard raw materials, undermine western/Japanese manufacturers by lying of component specs or changing them mid production (aka ‘quality fade’ ) knowingly that they cannot be reprimanded for it and destabilise foreign competition by selling at below cost prices or buying them out and asset stripping (latter not just a China issue but that doesn’t make it right) as well as persistently exporting shoddy products that don’t conform to the legal/safety/regulatory standards of the destination country (take knock-off phone chargers as a typical example). Persistent computer hacking and computer viruses of Chinese origin, I could go on.

And that’s before we take into account human rights, worker exploitation, persecution of religions, police state, iffy democracy, pollution of air, land, sea, plastics (our plastic waste was originally manufactured by THEM yet they refuse to take it back - not that I’d trust them to deal with it properly and not just dump half it overboard into the sea), coral reef destruction and not to forget SARS, COVID and Hong Kong!

To me the questions are not about why are we becoming anti-China, but why didn’t we challenge them sooner? And why did it take a nutter like Trump to be the man to do it when really the likes of Obama should have been taking a stand where the world would have took him seriously; Nobody can take Trump seriously when one minute he’s poking fun at a volatile world leader by calling him ‘Rocket man’ and the next minute he’s shaking his hand!

 

The reality is world politics is a morality desert , all nation states including the UK will and do trade and deal with others who have various issues and some notably the bigger nations China,Russia and the US (Before and including Trump) will attempt to subvert the internal workings of others for there own ends, this is and has always been the case i am no lover of China or Russia but just to demonise them and believe that we or the West in general are squeaky clean is at best naive.

 

Since the fall of communism in Russia, China was heading on an increasingly open path and the west (rightly or wrongly) has been encouraging or that. Possibly too encouraging such that we have now built up a dependence on them! It is only with the election of the latest leader in the last few years that China has taken a different direction away from our western ideals and back towards a more controlling and dictatorial state. Hence previous western leaders such as Obama or Camoron were dealing with a different China and didn't have to same concerns that we have today. Kind of screws up the Brexit idea though if we can't do a trade deal with China any more!

 

We’ll now have to make do with trading with the bits remaining of Asia

and of course free trade with Mauritania

 

If you take some of the above statements, replace China with Amazon.........

 

Amazon are telling people how to think now ?

 

*some* <--- you must have missed that bit.

 

No talk of the 145 chinese boats at the gallops islands ready to strip all of the endangered and protected species for their humongous water parks with Whale & dolphin shows.

 

They are stripping out Africa’s wildlife also ( elephants and more ) , albeit with corrupt “leaders” help