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New cars ' built' in 2040 ?
So you can still drive any car built over the next 23 years ?
Why are these things always proposed by people who live in London and ride bikes?!
So you can still drive any car built over the next 23 years ?
Why are these things always proposed by people who live in London and ride bikes?!
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We were supposed to be enjoying a Mediterranean climate here in the South by now
They cocked that up as well
Ironic really, cos if we'd fcuked up the climate more we'd have more sunshine to top up all those batteries.
They cocked that up as well
Ironic really, cos if we'd fcuked up the climate more we'd have more sunshine to top up all those batteries.
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Its the future: Moving the problem of pollution elsewhere
Be it generation or the hazards of production and disposal of chemical (battery) storage.
The real solution as always is to reduce the requirement to transport long distances...i.e live near where you work. etc etc. and tax the hell out of commuters for the privilege of private transport which also reduces congestion. Of course the like of the Fail and the wonders of Westminster love to tout about banning things. Ban this Ban that; they'll ban acids, and keep alkalines legal until they realise that burns as well
In other news: Commercial jet engined aircraft to be banned by 2060 and oil burning container ships banned by 2070
Diesel trains won't be banned though...since we've scrapped electrification I blame Brexit. Or it could be all the carcinogens in the air has affected the thinking of pundits and politicians alike
On that note, I'm off to gas myself in a filthy workshop, I won't be back for any sarcastic retorts.
Be it generation or the hazards of production and disposal of chemical (battery) storage.
The real solution as always is to reduce the requirement to transport long distances...i.e live near where you work. etc etc. and tax the hell out of commuters for the privilege of private transport which also reduces congestion. Of course the like of the Fail and the wonders of Westminster love to tout about banning things. Ban this Ban that; they'll ban acids, and keep alkalines legal until they realise that burns as well
In other news: Commercial jet engined aircraft to be banned by 2060 and oil burning container ships banned by 2070
Diesel trains won't be banned though...since we've scrapped electrification I blame Brexit. Or it could be all the carcinogens in the air has affected the thinking of pundits and politicians alike
On that note, I'm off to gas myself in a filthy workshop, I won't be back for any sarcastic retorts.
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23yrs I doubt that very much... it takes that long to build ONE power station from inception to it actually providing any power... what are there like 30 million vehicles on the road... going to take quite a few power stations to fuel that lot... and what about all the batteries required... where are they coming from, how they being made and what happens to them when they've died.
All well and good coming up with a "green" transport solution but what about the associated carbon footprint for us to get there.
Wouldn't surprise me if in a few years time they discover that we're actually better off staying as we are, or no doubt going back in the next century once the battery manufacture, disposal and charging associated pollution has been factored in.
All well and good coming up with a "green" transport solution but what about the associated carbon footprint for us to get there.
Wouldn't surprise me if in a few years time they discover that we're actually better off staying as we are, or no doubt going back in the next century once the battery manufacture, disposal and charging associated pollution has been factored in.
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I have a petrol hybrid currently, soon to add an electric town car, followed next year by electric commuter car(200 miles of range) Solar system on order 5kW to offset charging costs. I will then begin to sell off hybrid and remaining petrol transport in the coming years.
I've found even with a very limited range(20 miles) about 80-90% journeys are solely battery. I've only filled the petrol tank a few times in 18 months of ownership.
Next year will see a number of manufacturers bring out their affordable commuter EVs for sale, Jaguar, Volvo, Nissan, Hyundai, Tesla
I've found even with a very limited range(20 miles) about 80-90% journeys are solely battery. I've only filled the petrol tank a few times in 18 months of ownership.
Next year will see a number of manufacturers bring out their affordable commuter EVs for sale, Jaguar, Volvo, Nissan, Hyundai, Tesla
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Since there is very little free hydrogen gas, hydrogen is in practice only an energy carrier, like electricity, not an energy resource.[2] Hydrogen gas must be produced, and that production always requires more energy than can be retrieved from the gas as a fuel later on.[3] This is a limitation of the physical law of the conservation of energy. Most hydrogen production induces environmental impacts
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I don't see the problem, Nissan have already produced Zero Emission cars, because it says so on the side and back, so why don't we all buy them? Are they powered by Fairy Dust?
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Aint gonna happen, power network couldn't cope with the extra demand, technology has a long way to go to be viable and its an EU directive that will be fobbed off when we leave in 2 years time.
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Short version, slow news day, press making a mountain out of a mole hill
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As for fobbing it off in 2 years, doubt it.
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Can't see it happening at all. With other countries stating the same ban the demand for electricity will far outstrip supply not to mention the huge amount of infrastructure needed.
They need to tackle air travel pollution and manufactuering/shipping emssions rather than worry about cars. Do they even take into account the emssions for mining the minerals neded in batteries? I read that the emissions producing one electric car is the same as running petrol car for 8 years!
More than likely that another deep recession globally will put pay to these ideas.
They need to tackle air travel pollution and manufactuering/shipping emssions rather than worry about cars. Do they even take into account the emssions for mining the minerals neded in batteries? I read that the emissions producing one electric car is the same as running petrol car for 8 years!
More than likely that another deep recession globally will put pay to these ideas.