FINSBURY PARK INCIDENT . . .
19 June 2017, 03:35 AM
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FINSBURY PARK INCIDENT . . .
Van hits worshippers outside mosque in London's Finsbury Park
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19 June 2017, 08:12 AM
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So with previous blindingly obvious terrorist incidents Sadiq Khan is all "well we don't know the motive etc" then it's all "well terroism is part of life in the big city etc"
Then a van which witnesses said "lost control, then hit the crowd" is immediately branded a "horffic terrorist incident"...
I think this is a tragic accident, but terroist attack?!..
Then a van which witnesses said "lost control, then hit the crowd" is immediately branded a "horffic terrorist incident"...
I think this is a tragic accident, but terroist attack?!..
19 June 2017, 08:34 AM
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So with previous blindingly obvious terrorist incidents Sadiq Khan is all "well we don't know the motive etc" then it's all "well terroism is part of life in the big city etc"
Then a van which witnesses said "lost control, then hit the crowd" is immediately branded a "horffic terrorist incident"...
I think this is a tragic accident, but terroist attack?!..
Then a van which witnesses said "lost control, then hit the crowd" is immediately branded a "horffic terrorist incident"...
I think this is a tragic accident, but terroist attack?!..
19 June 2017, 09:25 AM
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So with previous blindingly obvious terrorist incidents Sadiq Khan is all "well we don't know the motive etc" then it's all "well terroism is part of life in the big city etc"
Then a van which witnesses said "lost control, then hit the crowd" is immediately branded a "horffic terrorist incident"...
I think this is a tragic accident, but terroist attack?!..
Then a van which witnesses said "lost control, then hit the crowd" is immediately branded a "horffic terrorist incident"...
I think this is a tragic accident, but terroist attack?!..
"Police are treating it as a terrorist incident".
This is what Khan actually said:
"While this appears to be an attack on a particular community, like the terrible attacks in Manchester, Westminster and London Bridge it is also an assault on all our shared values of tolerance, freedom and respect."
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19 June 2017, 09:36 AM
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From Amber Rudd, Home Secretary:
"Police are treating it as a terrorist incident".
This is what Khan actually said:
"While this appears to be an attack on a particular community, like the terrible attacks in Manchester, Westminster and London Bridge it is also an assault on all our shared values of tolerance, freedom and respect."
"Police are treating it as a terrorist incident".
This is what Khan actually said:
"While this appears to be an attack on a particular community, like the terrible attacks in Manchester, Westminster and London Bridge it is also an assault on all our shared values of tolerance, freedom and respect."
19 June 2017, 09:53 AM
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Well, what ever the motive, and we can judge that it's obviously in revenge for what has happened recently, then he should be sentenced the same way.
I do expect riots by the Muslim community though over this
I do expect riots by the Muslim community though over this
19 June 2017, 10:06 AM
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All terrorists have an aim, in the case of the medievalist jihadis, it's to provoke all out war between muslims and non-muslims. Looks like they're beginning to get what they want. It's better to be part of the solution, than part of the problem. Too many people on this forum seem to be falling for it and playing into their hands.
19 June 2017, 10:34 AM
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All terrorists have an aim, in the case of the medievalist jihadis, it's to provoke all out war between muslims and non-muslims. Looks like they're beginning to get what they want. It's better to be part of the solution, than part of the problem. Too many people on this forum seem to be falling for it and playing into their hands.
Ignoring the problem has only made it worse and idiots like Khan with his flippant 'it's part of life in the city' speech have perpetuated it.
19 June 2017, 10:35 AM
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All terrorists have an aim, in the case of the medievalist jihadis, it's to provoke all out war between muslims and non-muslims. Looks like they're beginning to get what they want. It's better to be part of the solution, than part of the problem. Too many people on this forum seem to be falling for it and playing into their hands.
Tragic news and an absolute propaganda coup and a gift for the enemy.
19 June 2017, 10:41 AM
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Why is this quote (it wasn't a 'speech') attracting so much negativity?
Also context is important with this quote, so before perpetuating this smear campaign, why not look into what he actually said, and WHEN HE SAID IT?
If Boris had of said it, no one would of batted an eye lid.
19 June 2017, 10:47 AM
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19 June 2017, 11:11 AM
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This isn't a terrorist attack it's a religiously motivated hate crime where some mentally deranged individual has set out to murder Muslims. In the name of what terrorist organisation has this individual carried out this attack in? What organisation planned and funded it? The answers to those questions is none.
Terrorist attack my ****
He needs locking away for life no differently to a terrorist but the two are very different in nature.
I expected something like this to happen to Finsbury Park Mosque 15 years ago as people need to remember the history of this mosque. It's Imam was Abu Hamza, he preached hate and had links to international terrorism. It's was a centre of hate preaching for a long time and although it is under new management and has tried to change it's image i'm afraid some people don't forget what it stood for. I'm also sure the security services know full well changing the Imam and the management of the mosque doesn't change the congregation. And before anyone starts no I am not saying everyone who worships there is an extremist or anti West but it certainly it has a minority who are going to be on it's history.
Some lunatic has taken it upon himself to attack it because of it's past no doubt fed up with what it publicly stood for in the past .
Terrorist attack my ****
He needs locking away for life no differently to a terrorist but the two are very different in nature.
I expected something like this to happen to Finsbury Park Mosque 15 years ago as people need to remember the history of this mosque. It's Imam was Abu Hamza, he preached hate and had links to international terrorism. It's was a centre of hate preaching for a long time and although it is under new management and has tried to change it's image i'm afraid some people don't forget what it stood for. I'm also sure the security services know full well changing the Imam and the management of the mosque doesn't change the congregation. And before anyone starts no I am not saying everyone who worships there is an extremist or anti West but it certainly it has a minority who are going to be on it's history.
Some lunatic has taken it upon himself to attack it because of it's past no doubt fed up with what it publicly stood for in the past .
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19 June 2017, 11:14 AM
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Why is this quote (it wasn't a 'speech') attracting so much negativity?
Also context is important with this quote, so before perpetuating this smear campaign, why not look into what he actually said, and WHEN HE SAID IT?
If Boris had of said it, no one would of batted an eye lid.
Also context is important with this quote, so before perpetuating this smear campaign, why not look into what he actually said, and WHEN HE SAID IT?
If Boris had of said it, no one would of batted an eye lid.
You'd hope ANY politician would condemn terrorist action, not say it is "part of living in the city".
If you want to read up on context etc of the whole speech www.google.co.uk.
19 June 2017, 11:14 AM
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19 June 2017, 11:18 AM
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Khan is the current Mayor of London. Regardless of his religion etc 3 attacks have now taken place under his reign.
You'd hope ANY politician would condemn terrorist action, not say it is "part of living in the city".
If you want to read up on context etc of the whole speech www.google.co.uk.
You'd hope ANY politician would condemn terrorist action, not say it is "part of living in the city".
If you want to read up on context etc of the whole speech www.google.co.uk.
Presumably you've googled it then?
He has consistently condemned these attacks, without any equivocation. I just don't see what the issue here is.
btw - the comments you refer to were made long before any of the attacks in London (or Manchester for that matter), but hey, these are just mere facts. Far better to endless regurgitate some crap you saw on Facebook.
19 June 2017, 11:23 AM
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19 June 2017, 11:43 AM
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Presumably you've googled it then?
He has consistently condemned these attacks, without any equivocation. I just don't see what the issue here is.
btw - the comments you refer to were made long before any of the attacks in London (or Manchester for that matter), but hey, these are just mere facts. Far better to endless regurgitate some crap you saw on Facebook.
He has consistently condemned these attacks, without any equivocation. I just don't see what the issue here is.
btw - the comments you refer to were made long before any of the attacks in London (or Manchester for that matter), but hey, these are just mere facts. Far better to endless regurgitate some crap you saw on Facebook.
Any other politician who was responsible for the safety and security of a certain area or district which had been hit with 3 terror incidents would come under the same scrutiny.
I think the big question should be why exactly you think he shouldn't? I think we all know the answer to that.
19 June 2017, 11:55 AM
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What does when he said it make any difference? He was London mayor at the time, he was London mayor during the 3 attacks.
Any other politician who was responsible for the safety and security of a certain area or district which had been hit with 3 terror incidents would come under the same scrutiny.
I think the big question should be why exactly you think he shouldn't? I think we all know the answer to that.
Any other politician who was responsible for the safety and security of a certain area or district which had been hit with 3 terror incidents would come under the same scrutiny.
I think the big question should be why exactly you think he shouldn't? I think we all know the answer to that.
Why he shouldn't what?
This is just the continuation of the nasty lies and smears aimed at Khan during the Mayoral Election (which he won comfortably). What he said is just basic, simple fact. Those of us that work or live in London, know exactly what he said and why he said it. There really is no controversy here. I'll say it again, if Boris had of said this there would be no FB memes from Britain First, EDL, etc. This is basic dog whistle politics because he's a Muslim.
Here's the actual quote...(in answer to an audience question in a panel debate in 2016).
“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
So being PREPARED for terrorist attacks is part and parcel of living in a big city
Controversial stuff :rolleyes
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19 June 2017, 12:14 PM
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[QUOTE=Petem95;11947750]So with previous blindingly obvious terrorist incidents Sadiq Khan is all "well we don't know the motive etc" then it's all "well terroism is part of life in the big city etc"
QUOTE]
Oh Pete, there you again with half truths and fake news...
“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
The Mayor of London (2016)
QUOTE]
Oh Pete, there you again with half truths and fake news...
“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
The Mayor of London (2016)
19 June 2017, 12:19 PM
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Why he shouldn't what?
This is just the continuation of the nasty lies and smears aimed at Khan during the Mayoral Election (which he won comfortably). What he said is just basic, simple fact. Those of us that work or live in London, know exactly what he said and why he said it. There really is no controversy here. I'll say it again, if Boris had of said this there would be no FB memes from Britain First, EDL, etc. This is basic dog whistle politics because he's a Muslim.
Here's the actual quote...(in answer to an audience question in a panel debate in 2016).
“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
So being PREPARED for terrorist attacks is part and parcel of living in a big city
Controversial stuff :rolleyes
This is just the continuation of the nasty lies and smears aimed at Khan during the Mayoral Election (which he won comfortably). What he said is just basic, simple fact. Those of us that work or live in London, know exactly what he said and why he said it. There really is no controversy here. I'll say it again, if Boris had of said this there would be no FB memes from Britain First, EDL, etc. This is basic dog whistle politics because he's a Muslim.
Here's the actual quote...(in answer to an audience question in a panel debate in 2016).
“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
So being PREPARED for terrorist attacks is part and parcel of living in a big city
Controversial stuff :rolleyes
The other side of the argument is would you be saying the same if Boris was mayor during 3 terror attacks in London within what 6 weeks?. (Of course you'll tell us you would, but I think it stinks of reverse racism).
Accepting that planning anything is an acceptance that you won't stop it. It is not acceptable to say that there will be further attacks, not by anybody with a set of bollocks anyway.
19 June 2017, 12:24 PM
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The other side of the argument is would you be saying the same if Boris was mayor during 3 terror attacks in London within what 6 weeks?. (Of course you'll tell us you would, but I think it stinks of reverse racism).
Accepting that planning anything is an acceptance that you won't stop it. It is not acceptable to say that there will be further attacks, not by anybody with a set of bollocks anyway.
Accepting that planning anything is an acceptance that you won't stop it. It is not acceptable to say that there will be further attacks, not by anybody with a set of bollocks anyway.
You really are reaching now.
Are you seriously saying we shouldn't be prepared for terrorist attacks?
You were fooled by fake news, why not just admit it.
19 June 2017, 12:33 PM
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[QUOTE=Martin2005;11947801]
Who, even 10 years ago, could have imagined that Christian England's great capital would ever have a muslim Mayor? It shows the incredible generosity of spirit of the English people that they could accept such an appointment with relative equanimity. I think that acceptance may be wearing a bit thin now though.
So with previous blindingly obvious terrorist incidents Sadiq Khan is all "well we don't know the motive etc" then it's all "well terroism is part of life in the big city etc"
QUOTE]
Oh Pete, there you again with half truths and fake news...
“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
The Mayor of London (2016)
QUOTE]
Oh Pete, there you again with half truths and fake news...
“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”
The Mayor of London (2016)
Who, even 10 years ago, could have imagined that Christian England's great capital would ever have a muslim Mayor? It shows the incredible generosity of spirit of the English people that they could accept such an appointment with relative equanimity. I think that acceptance may be wearing a bit thin now though.