alcazar

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So they are willing to buy back, and pay compensation in North America, for their dishonesty, but nothing in the UK?

And meanwhile, their directors share €49million?

Something amiss here, surely?

madscoob

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uk public gets rimmed by the krauts surely not lol

neil-h

Is it not a fundamentally different issue between the UK and the States (I.e. They're actually breaking US emissions legislation)?

alcazar

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I thought their ecus were meant to fool ours too?

fat-thomas

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I got my letter through last week about the software update.
Unsure whether to have it as I've heard it strangles the performance.

andy97

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But if you dont your car will be worth naff all if they bring in MOT checks to ensure vw are legal

Tidgy

need to get it on a dyno before the software update and then after and see if it drops power. if it does i wonder if you have a legal case?

ALi-B

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Mate Mot diesel emissions check just looks at smoke and nothing else (VW got into trouble in the USA due to NOx, not soot). As it stands any DPF equipped car will breeze through a UK mot emission test.

And NOx testing would require new gas analysers. Considering these start at £4000+vat for a basic one plus calibration and update fees, then the test procedure would have be written by VOSA which works at the speed of a sloth.

On the basis it took ten years to computerise it (the monitors and printers originally supplied were ten years old...new and sat in a warehouse somewhere pending roll-out). It'll take st least ten years to bring in NOx testing.

neil-h

Iirc the UK MOT tests diesel emissions by a 'smoke test', where as the American equivalent seems to involve an actual emissions content test (although as is the way, it seems to vary by state).

fat-thomas

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I'd rather they fixed the voice control function.
Sod the emissions

mart360

I really fail to see why people are up in arms about this lol

If you take off the "Indignant of middle England" glasses lol, and step back and look at where your posting this thread

In a car forum, where 90% of the posts are to do with tweaking ecu's remaps and decats lol!

If someone rocked up here and said they had a software update / tweak that would guarantee your remapped, decatted, overbored, water injected, lambda bypassed xxxx model would pass the mot for emmisions, you and hundreds of others would be beating a path to there door to install /remap you car!

Now that it's happened, in a roundabout way, your all up in arms lol

go figure


Mart

fat-thomas

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as i have one of the cars effected i personally couldnt give a toss as the car is a diesel bought for work purposes and as i will have it for 5 years 100k i doubt the second hand value will be effected either.

i wont have the fix applied either despite the letter if they do it in the annual service remains to be seen.

Alan Jeffery

Love it..

andy97

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Those days are gone, embrace the environmental driver

alcazar

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The environmental bit doesn't bother me...I just hate to see VW fawning on the US market and giving us two fingers. EU? Shove it.

neil-h

This has been explained already though, the effect on the associated markets is completely different. Why should VW offer a by back scheme in the European market when the emission fudging doesn't actually affect the end user.

ALi-B

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As said Federal emissions standards are different to EU standards and enforced differently too. Different regs have been broken here to the USA.

Federal emission standard at various points have been stricter than the UK. Also vehicles were given big tax breaks based on different emissions (carcinogens) in the USA to how we tax it over here (where we're obsessed with the stuff we exhale...co2 ). Arguably it's harder to cheat on CO2 than NOx on a diesel and seeing the primary problem is with NOx it's not a tax issue with Uk cars...it is in the USA. And as we all well know the yanks don't like foreigners fiddling with their tax system.

Certainly there are versions of the same engine have different emission control equipment depending on if it's UK spec or USA spec- that's been the case for many cars going as far back as the 1970s (you should see all the emission control crap fitted to a USA spec Rover V8 or Triumph TR6).

Modifying a engine to regulate emissions may involve more than just software changes. So the cost of this in terms of development, testing, gaining government approval, production of replacement/retrofit parts and labour could outweigh the cost of buying the car back in the USA, plus paying owed "evaded" tax from cars that should be in a higher tax band...hence compensation.

The Amarok is on the recall list in the UK, now I've worked on these and noted they already have most of the emissions control equipment fitted (and several electric coolant pumps...one just to run the EGR cooler ), and are also a commercial vehicle..so may have more relaxed limits for its weight class...therefore it's likely these can be easily fixed with software....maybe at the expense of performance/driveability and/or economy though.

gazzawrx

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Tbh i dont think vag emmissions are that bad, i can have them ticking over on a ramp for a whole MOT test and not really notice the fumes, however vauxhall and saabs, they need something sorting as when these are running the fumes are enough to make your eyes water, they are really bad. The amount of times ive had to stop mid mot test and go outside for fresh air is unbelieveable.

The Trooper 1815

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WE are asking for this to be done and know the consequences.

We are not getting blindsided by a multi national behemoth of a company who cheated.

stilover

And when Porsche had issues with the engine in the new GT3, North America customers got compensation. So did German customers.

UK customers got nowt.

Americans sue, we don't.

SouthWalesSam

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I'm with you on this one, Mart360.