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Old 10 February 2016, 01:46 AM
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Apparently the situation in Calais is deteriorating quite badly. We've known for some time about the attacks on truckers as migrants try to get into the UK. However the effect on the locals is not so widely known. Here is a local resident speaking out to what is happening. Truly quite scary. (she speaks at 3.18)


Well, here we are. Pierre introduced me. My name is Simone and I live in Calais. I am of Calaisian stock. My parents lived in Calais. Calais is my life. It’s where I grew up and I’ve always lived there. Calais used to be a very pleasant town. I used to love going on walks. We had tranquillity and safety. There were always a lot of visitors, both in the Summer and in the Winter, even though God knows our Summers are never that pleasant, the weather is never great here. But the place was alive.
Some time ago refugees came to Sangatte. Sarkozy decided to shut down their squatting zone there, and the refugees arrived in Calais. At first, even I considered them unfortunate people, deprived of means and ill-informed, whom we could perhaps give some help. And I couldn’t tell you how it happened, but from one day to the next, we had thousands, thousands of migrants. Currently they number at 18 000 in what is called the Jungle. 18 000. It is horrible. They’ve downright made a city within the city. They’ve got a discotheque, businesses, schools, hair-dressers… They even have… [pause] — I wouldn’t allow myself to say this, but I think you understand it concerns the needs of men. Of course. They’ve made streets. They’ve given names to these streets. They elected a mayor. [Audience expresses shock] Yes! The police cannot at all enter what they call the “Muslim neighborhood”. It’s forbidden.
Up to that point, we perhaps might have been able to endure this. But we can’t endure the unendurable, when we see riots taking place during the night, every day, constantly. They turn up in the center of the town, numbering 2000, 3000, 4000, all over the place. They smash cars with iron bars. They assault people, they even assault children. They rob and they rape. What we endure is unimaginable. They enter the homes of people, while people are at the dinner table, because they want to eat. They take what they want, sometimes they beat up the inhabitants. They steal what they want and smash what they can’t get. And when you defend yourself, the Police gets on your back [Audience expresses dismay]. Since a long time the Police refuses to register complaints. My own son got assaulted. He was out on a walk in the town center, listening to music on headphones. Someone tapped his shoulder and he turned around, thinking it would be a friend. Three “clandos” were facing him — excuse me, clandestines. He got hit on the head with an iron bar. My son is quite tough and managed to defend himself. So they got beat up. But then he heard noise on his side: thirty migrants were now going after him. Being bold but not suicidal, he fled. When I saw my son return home my thought was that they could have killed him. He isn’t alone. They assault kids on their way home from school, or on their way to school, to middle-school. They go so far to get on school busses, with the kids. On January 23rd, they did a big riot in Calais. It was horrible. It lasted the whole afternoon and the whole evening. They went so far to tag the statue of General De Gaulle. They wrote “Nik la France” on it [“*** France”, sic], with the ISIS flag underneath.
What else can I tell you about what we endure? They demonstrate to protest the standards of the welcome they have received. But the more you give to them, the more they ask for. It’s never enough. Never, never. When we cross their paths, it’s always “give money”, “give phone”. And if you don’t give, you get beat up. And don’t count on the Police to help you. As I said, they dont even register complaints anymore. When we want to demonstrate, the Police gets on our backs. When we get assaulted, they tell us at the Police station: “What do you want us to say, they all look alike. There’s nothing we can do.” I promise that what I’m telling you is the truth.
I used to love going to visit what I call my son’s tomb: the sea. I lost my son and we dispersed his ashes into the sea, in accordance with his wish. One evening I asked my husband to take me to my son’s tomb, because I needed it. This is something I can’t do anymore. Merely crossing the town center of Calais during the evening means exposing yourself to danger. As soon as it starts getting dark, it gets dangerous. I can’t go where I used to like to go anymore. It’s not possible anymore. I’m scared. And there are many of us like this in Calais.
What I also don’t understand is the attitude of the Calaisians. Yesterday again there was a demonstration. There were perhaps ten people from Calais participating. Where were all the others? Fear does not steer us clear from danger. The Government has abandoned us. They’ve decided to doom Calais. If we from Calais don’t react to this, all the migrants in France will end up gathered here, and we’ll be done for, we’ll be dead. The Calaisians are like sheep. I don’t understand them.
Yesterday I participated in this demonstration. I was in the middle of it, with my husband, with my son, with friends. General Piquemal was there [Long round of applause]. After what I witnessed yesterday, I could not sleep, because I kept reviewing those scenes in my mind. The television, radio and newspapers haven’t said what happened there. We saw him get arrested and mistreated like a racaille [street thug]. The man is a French icon, he deserves the respect owed to his rank, and he got treated like a racaille. They manhandled him to the ground and a policeman placed his boot on his neck. We saw it happen, I promise as I stand before you. Then they picked him up and dragged him, his feet weren’t even touching the ground. And then they charged us of course. I was lucky, because my husband, in a clever move, took us behind the vans and the water guns of the CRS [riot police]. Otherwise they would have detained us and I’d still be in jail today.
And what offense did I commit? I had come there. I had come to protest the massive and invasive immigration we are subjected to. Do you realize that local shops have lost between 40% and 60% of their business? Before this, Calais used to be thriving, lively, gay. Foreigners would always come during the Summer vacation time, and during the end of the year festivities. Today, nothing is left of that. Nothing. The shops in the town center have shut down, one after the other. Calais is a dead city, because of the clandestines we have there. When they descend upon the town armed with iron bars and even Molotov cocktails… Yes, they were caught fabricating those… I don’t understand why they don’t get punished for that. Why does the police let them go so quickly, when they catch them? [Round of applause.] If we, the French, the Calaisians, step out of line, we immediately get detained and subjected to interrogation. We have no rights left.
Let’s also talk about Natacha Bouchard. [The audience boos.] I call her the snail, because she has gotten fatter and fatter since she became mayor. She has done nothing for the inhabitants of Calais. She received millions of Euros of help destined to support the local economy. The first thing she did with that money was to build containers to house the migrants. And those containers did not even come from Calais, they came from Brittany. The only jobs she created in Calais, and I know this through a friend who was offered such a job, were fifty long-term positions to clean up the migrant’s refuse in the Jungle. Those are the jobs offered by Madame Bouchard. She has banned me from her Facebook page, so I can’t leave her comments anymore. She doesn’t like me. The feeling is mutual. [Audience laughing.]
As Pierre said, I’m not an intellectual. I didn’t get a higher education. I lost my father at a young age and had to stop school early in order to help with the business. But that doesn’t mean i’m an idiot. I see what’s going on and I know what I’m talking about. We live under it every day.
There’s been a new development recently: the No Border activists. They are the worst racaille on the face of the Earth. They are the ones inciting the clandestines to riot in Calais. It’s even worse than that. They post themselves across the town and coordinate riots using talkie walkies. I’ve seen the CRS [riot police] give ground to the migrants. That made me weep. I felt this wasn’t normal. We’re at home. This is our country, our town. The migrants should have been the ones retreating, not the CRS.
Why are they demonstrating? They want 2000 Euros pocket money per month. [Hilarity among the audience.] I don’t have them, personally. They want a car, and also a house, naturally. So let’s talk about housing. Madame Bouchard has expelled people in Calais from their homes because those were situated in the Dunes area, close to the Jungle. Indeed this proximity meant that they were being robbed and beaten on a regular basis. So she expelled them, even though they were paying their rent. I myself am being thrown out of my house next month. My house is being confiscated, even though we’ve always been honest people. It would be too long to explain. A court decided to sell the house, even though we’ve done nothing wrong. My husband is suffering from cancer, but that doesn’t change anything. The French must be crushed and thrown out, their property seized to make room for the racaille intent on colonizing us. [Round of applause.]
The racaille, we are being told, will be a source of cultural enrichment for us. But I wonder where their cultural wealth is. If what we need is to wreck, destroy, steal, and rape, and this is the short version, well then the French are quite able to do this on their own. You just needed to ask us. [Round of applause.] I speak with my heart and my words. [Long round of applause.]

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Old 10 February 2016, 08:17 AM
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Calais is building up to a point that it will implode. All I do is get off train, get fuel and get out of there. If the illegal migrants are loitering by the fuel station I don't even bother with the fuel now.
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A mate calls it Stalag Calais. Around the port the whole area is enclosed by two fences, one 12', one 18' with razor wire. the entrances guarded by CRS with guns and dogs.

STILL they get in.

They are attacking lorries and anyone towing a closed trailer every day.

WHY aren't the British press reporting this mess, instead of still talking of the poor old refugees?

I await loonies like Martin to come on and defend their behaviour.

The French will eventually have to put a stop to this, somehow, since the local people won't accept it for much longer.

Hiding from migrants, pretending they aren't there, telling folk they aren't doing wrong...it just isn't good enough.

The morally bankrupt left have caused this.
Old 10 February 2016, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
A mate calls it Stalag Calais. Around the port the whole area is enclosed by two fences, one 12', one 18' with razor wire. the entrances guarded by CRS with guns and dogs.

STILL they get in.

They are attacking lorries and anyone towing a closed trailer every day.

WHY aren't the British press reporting this mess, instead of still talking of the poor old refugees?

I await loonies like Martin to come on and defend their behaviour.

The French will eventually have to put a stop to this, somehow, since the local people won't accept it for much longer.

Hiding from migrants, pretending they aren't there, telling folk they aren't doing wrong...it just isn't good enough.

The morally bankrupt left have caused this.
In what way, please?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
In what way, please?

He believes that these 'Miggers' are stuck in Calais because I won't let them in...presumably?
Old 10 February 2016, 10:22 AM
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You do have to feel sorry for the Calais people - I can't imagine what it must be like for their town & livelihood to be completely taken over & lost......

But according to the 'Didn't he do well' thread all is rosy on the immigration front - nothing to see here .....
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The immigration thing is a total red herring , good for kipper support and other hard of thinking types

Yep it's a complete side show. Cameron basically decided to have a pretend argument, over a pretend issue. This is what happens when you let the Daily Mail dictate policy.


Where are the measures on subsidiarity and improving competitiveness? These are the real issues of the EU - not bloody immigration and benefits.
Old 10 February 2016, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
The French should have put a stop to this, somehow, since the local people won't accept it for much longer.
Fixed that for you
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Originally Posted by alcazar
The morally bankrupt left have caused this.
That's a simplistic answer to complex questions you clearly don't understand. Perhaps you could expand on this?

That Calais resident was talking at a Pegida rally. Therefore her testimony is to be approached cautiously. Pegida want an end to immigration, an end to the EU, an end to Nato, and closer ties with Putin's Russia. Some of their speakers think it's unfortunate that there are no concentration camps any more. In other words, they have a clear agenda, and what this resident is reporting as the whole truth may well not be. I would be interested to hear the opinions of Calais residents who are not aligned to a far-Right organisation, or a far Left one for that matter. Might get a clearer picture.
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Originally Posted by Dr Hu
You do have to feel sorry for the Calais people - I can't imagine what it must be like for their town & livelihood to be completely taken over & lost......

But according to the 'Didn't he do well' thread all is rosy on the immigration front - nothing to see here .....

'Rosey' hmm, your word not mine - and nice out of context quoting btw
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Its terrible out there,a UK driver few months back got arrested and his now serving 18 months in French jail,before he gets trial.All because one of these ******** climbed onto his truck,and the driver pull him off.Immigrant then pulled out a knife so the driver picked up a metal bar from his truck and hit the immigrant with it.loads of things happening that doesn't get shown on the news much.Some of the immigrants are using metal poles as javelins and throwing them at the front windscreen of trucks.The lads at work have loads of pictures trucks being smashed up when waiting for the ferry at Calais.I was thinking about continental work again myself,but just came to the decision its not worth the hassle..

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The morally bankrupt left are the ones who have, despite overwhelming evidence to the opposite, peddled the idea that these people are refugees, forced to leave their homes and deserve our support/help/understanding etc etc.

Even now, the truth is being hidden from us. How much have YOU seen about the fires and fights at the camp? The refusal of food and blankets, which were destroyed as "not good enough"? The nightly raids on calais town, the attacks on truckers just doing their jobs?

None of it...yet we are STILL seeing the whining left wing telling us of the plight of these refugees.

Morally bankrupt doesn't even start to describe them. They put an ideology above common sense, and seem to value migrants above their own.

And there is no talking sense to them, because they KNOW they are right.

Just watch this thread, you'll see.
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Stick em all on a boat, sail it out to the middle of the channel and sink it.

Problem solved.
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And then shoot um up , additionally ?
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Originally Posted by alcazar
The morally bankrupt left are the ones who have, despite overwhelming evidence to the opposite, peddled the idea that these people are refugees, forced to leave their homes and deserve our support/help/understanding etc etc.

Even now, the truth is being hidden from us. How much have YOU seen about the fires and fights at the camp? The refusal of food and blankets, which were destroyed as "not good enough"? The nightly raids on calais town, the attacks on truckers just doing their jobs?

None of it...yet we are STILL seeing the whining left wing telling us of the plight of these refugees.

Morally bankrupt doesn't even start to describe them. They put an ideology above common sense, and seem to value migrants above their own.

And there is no talking sense to them, because they KNOW they are right.

Just watch this thread, you'll see.
My god the irony is strong in this one (in fact quite a lot of that post generally)
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Originally Posted by DYK
Its terrible out there,a UK driver few months back got arrested and his now serving 18 months in French jail,before he gets trial.All because one of these ******** climbed onto his truck,and the driver pull him off.Immigrant then pulled out a knife so the driver picked up a metal bar from his truck and hit the immigrant with it.loads of things happening that doesn't get shown on the news much.Some of the immigrants are using metal poles as javelins and throwing them at the front windscreen of trucks.The lads at work have loads of pictures trucks being smashed up when waiting for the ferry at Calais.I was thinking about continental work again myself,but just came to the decision its not worth the hassle..
The level of abuse and violence against truck drivers in Calais is totally unacceptable, and the French should do some proper policing. I did 20 years of continental work from the 70s to the 90s, and as a survivor of several hijack attempts in Italy (a common occurrence in the early 80s, again unreported) I can empathise. The drivers and operators should get together and blockade the tunnel (or boycott Calais altogether) until the French do something. Our government should be telling the French to get their act together.
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Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
The level of abuse and violence against truck drivers in Calais is totally unacceptable, and the French should do some proper policing. I did 20 years of continental work from the 70s to the 90s, and as a survivor of several hijack attempts in Italy (a common occurrence in the early 80s, again unreported) I can empathise. The drivers and operators should get together and blockade the tunnel (or boycott Calais altogether) until the French do something. Our government should be telling the French to get their act together.
For that to happen though, the French authorities (local, regional, central govt) would need to accept that the situation has become completely unacceptable and act accordingly, which they seem very reluctant to do. The police on the ground are thoroughly sick of the whole affair themselves, not getting the support or resources they need from higher up to handle it properly (for example, despite it clearly fitting the criteria, the people in charge are still refusing to give the area around the camps a "special policing needs" status, which would attract extra funding from central govt, better overtime rates, etc), and are obviously being used by the politicians to further a biased agenda (for example, being sent in to break up the recent Pegida demonstration, but told to take no action for the much more rowdier ones held by No Borders activists).

The whole thing stinks, and you really do have to feel sorry for the locals and anyone who has to use the port facilities to earn a living.
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read her letter properly, truely amazing then can force french people out of their own homes to house these arseholes and yet they can't send them back to where they came from, say what you like to defend them these people are terrorists terrorizing local french people on a daily basis, get them on prison boats and sent home job done and keep doing it until they stop coming, these are only the brainless ones, the clever ones have settled in germany and sweden for 3 years to claim as much as possible in order to finance coming here when they get their eu passport, mark my words if we aint out of the eu in 3 years they will be over here bowls in hand please mr cameron can we have some more,quoteThey want a car, and also a house, naturally. So let’s talk about housing. Madame Bouchard has expelled people in Calais from their homes because those were situated in the Dunes area, close to the Jungle. Indeed this proximity meant that they were being robbed and beaten on a regular basis. So she expelled them, even though they were paying their rent. I myself am being thrown out of my house next month.

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Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
The level of abuse and violence against truck drivers in Calais is totally unacceptable, and the French should do some proper policing. I did 20 years of continental work from the 70s to the 90s, and as a survivor of several hijack attempts in Italy (a common occurrence in the early 80s, again unreported) I can empathise. The drivers and operators should get together and blockade the tunnel (or boycott Calais altogether) until the French do something. Our government should be telling the French to get their act together.
Oh I've heard all about Italy back then from some of the old timers still driving.I gave up doing the continental work just before it started to get really bad in Calais.Even then seeing groups of them walking alongside the motorway was bad enough,it's not a nice experience when you have gang of them yanking at your door handle trying to get in the cab,climbing up the side the truck.One of our drivers woman driver,had to take two weeks leave because got attacked by a group of the immigrants,just left her shaken up by it all,caused £4000.00 damage to the truck and trailer.This is what people are not being informed about,the media is keeping a low profile on all this,but we're on the front line of it and just trying to do our job.You have gangs of them running onto the motorway trying to force trucks to stop.You can't even defend yourself because is that many of them..I would like to take up the continental work again,but at the moment I'm kind 50/50 about it.

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Its strange how the media have gone very quiet on this. They reported on this when the ferry workers were blockading the motorway exits for the tunnel and the migrants were taking full advantage of the situation; with plenty of videos showing what was going on; Gangs walking around looking for opportunities.

Last time I drove through Coquelles first thing in the morning (about 8:00am), which is a quieter area there must have been over a thousand of them camped out on the car park for Leader-Price (hypermarket).

Another time earlier on (November 2014 IIRC) was when they blockaded the motorway exit (again) and I ended up detouring through the middle of the town and seeing gangs of them just walking around and loitering.....loitering for what though? Its not good driving round in stop-start traffic in a vehicle with GB on the number plates.
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Its strange how the media have gone very quiet on this. They reported on this when the ferry workers were blockading the motorway exits for the tunnel and the migrants were taking full advantage of the situation; with plenty of videos showing what was going on; Gangs walking around looking for opportunities.

Last time I drove through Coquelles first thing in the morning (about 8:00am), which is a quieter area there must have been over a thousand of them camped out on the car park for Leader-Price (hypermarket).

Another time earlier on (November 2014 IIRC) was when they blockaded the motorway exit (again) and I ended up detouring through the middle of the town and seeing gangs of them just walking around and loitering.....loitering for what though? Its not good driving round in stop-start traffic in a vehicle with GB on the number plates.
Probably because they don't want the UK people to know what's really going on,because you don't need to guess the country these immigrants are trying to get to,or maybe its not a big enough story for them.This immigrant situation should have been dealt with years ago,instead they have allowed them to come and now the flood gates are open.
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Originally Posted by DYK
Probably because they don't want the UK people to know what's really going on,because you don't need to guess the country these immigrants are trying to get to,or maybe its not a big enough story for them.This immigrant situation should have been dealt with years ago,instead they have allowed them to come and now the flood gates are open.

If the 'flood gates' were open, then they wouldn't be stuck in Calais
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
If the 'flood gates' were open, then they wouldn't be stuck in Calais
Reality is though that they shouldn't even of made it to Calais, they've either come through Spain or Italy then travelled across France to be in Calais.

The French have only themselves to blame for not following the rules.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
If the 'flood gates' were open, then they wouldn't be stuck in Calais
Many have succeeded getting into the UK.They know the door is open to march into and across Europe in their thousands,and look at what they are doing.Attacking truckers,causing chaos in Calais,gang raping European women on the streets,harassing people in towns etc.It is France problem,but then the French are saying its the UK's problem,for making our country such an attractive place to come.
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France and hollonde was one of the first into Syrian conflict as well afaik
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Originally Posted by DYK
Many have succeeded getting into the UK.They know the door is open to march into and across Europe in their thousands,and look at what they are doing.Attacking truckers,causing chaos in Calais,gang raping European women on the streets,harassing people in towns etc.It is France problem,but then the French are saying its the UK's problem,for making our country such an attractive place to come.
A firefighter at the Eurotunnel reckons 150 / day are getting through

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Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
The level of abuse and violence against truck drivers in Calais is totally unacceptable, and the French should do some proper policing. I did 20 years of continental work from the 70s to the 90s, and as a survivor of several hijack attempts in Italy (a common occurrence in the early 80s, again unreported) I can empathise. The drivers and operators should get together and blockade the tunnel (or boycott Calais altogether) until the French do something. Our government should be telling the French to get their act together.

Ah, THEN you'll see some real policing...

Double standards? You bet! FRENCH truckers or FRENCH seamen blockade the port....no problem, leave 'em alone.

Any foreign nationals blockade the port, watch for he CRS to arrive and the violnce to begin, lorries smashed, dragged away, impounded, truckers beaten and imprisoned.

The French police are unionised, so any FRENCH union blockades etc are mostly ignored.
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Originally Posted by DYK
Many have succeeded getting into the UK.They know the door is open to march into and across Europe in their thousands,and look at what they are doing.Attacking truckers,causing chaos in Calais,gang raping European women on the streets,harassing people in towns etc.It is France problem,but then the French are saying its the UK's problem,for making our country such an attractive place to come.
But the facts remain that only a vanishingly small proportion of Europe's recent arrivals have ended up in Calais, and only a tiny percentage of them will ever get into the UK

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Originally Posted by Martin2005
But the facts remain that only a vanishingly small proportion of Europe's recent arrivals have ended up in Calais, and only a tiny percentage of them will ever get into the UK
Recent arrivals Martin,adding to the big numbers that are already in Calais,this is only going to get worse and worse.Meanwhile the rest of them that have been disbursed to other parts of Europe have decided to go into towns and harass the locals and rape women,they will head towards the UK at some point in time..One thing that I notice when going through Calias is,how these immigrants who are fleeing their own country,how the majority of them I seen and also got attacked by are young single men,fighting fit men..
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Originally Posted by DYK
One thing that I notice when going through Calias is,how these immigrants who are fleeing their own country,how the majority of them I seen and also got attacked by are young single men,fighting fit men..
They're the ones that you see, the young, fighting fit. The rest, the thousands of women, kids, old people, sick people, are living in flimsy tents in the mud just trying to get through each day. If I was young, fighting fit, and fed up of the rest of the world ****ting on me with no future in sight, I'd be out causing trouble and doing desperate things.
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Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
They're the ones that you see, the young, fighting fit. The rest, the thousands of women, kids, old people, sick people, are living in flimsy tents in the mud just trying to get through each day. If I was young, fighting fit, and fed up of the rest of the world ****ting on me with no future in sight, I'd be out causing trouble and doing desperate things.
So when these young fighting fit men are sneaking into trucks and if by chance make it into the UK.several of them jump out the trailer,they have also abandoned their own people,the young,sick,and old.These young sick and old people who have managed to travel thousands of miles across Europe.Right so your thinking is because you don't get what you want,lets terrorise other people.



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