The Daily Mail just hate police.....
19 January 2016, 10:38 PM
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The Daily Mail just hate police.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...les-judge.html
So the pathologist did not think it was suspicious, neither did the coroner (as he released the body for burial) - so at that point it appears to be a 'cot death'. Yet they expect the police to fully forensically preserve the house, the hospital, the parents, interview them, seize their phones and interrogate any social media they have......nice. Is this the way to treat all parents now who have suffered a 'cot death' just in case..?
So the pathologist did not think it was suspicious, neither did the coroner (as he released the body for burial) - so at that point it appears to be a 'cot death'. Yet they expect the police to fully forensically preserve the house, the hospital, the parents, interview them, seize their phones and interrogate any social media they have......nice. Is this the way to treat all parents now who have suffered a 'cot death' just in case..?
20 January 2016, 04:49 AM
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I'm not their greatest fan as you know.Nothing against you Felix at all.Just lost complete faith
20 January 2016, 07:37 AM
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Everybody hates the Police mate, get over it. 
Think about it, why would anyone like the Police
they never bring good news or a big bag of money, if they knock on your door your either in trouble or someone has died, if they pull you over, it's probably going to cost you money and points on your licence, then more money when your insurance goes up.
Fact is mate most of us don't want to see or have anything to do with the Police, why would we, you're the modern day harbingers of doom and gloom that's why you've got no friends and no one wants to be around you. 
just joking about the last bit but you get where I'm coming from. 
Think about it, why would anyone like the Police
they never bring good news or a big bag of money, if they knock on your door your either in trouble or someone has died, if they pull you over, it's probably going to cost you money and points on your licence, then more money when your insurance goes up.Fact is mate most of us don't want to see or have anything to do with the Police, why would we, you're the modern day harbingers of doom and gloom
that's why you've got no friends and no one wants to be around you. just joking about the last bit but you get where I'm coming from.
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20 January 2016, 07:51 AM
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Felix do yourself a favour and stop looking at the Daily Fail. It's a gutter press that only exists to makes itself money by publishing inaccurate and puerile shyte that uses opinion for the basis of its articles and warped statistics rather than fact. readers comments is the only thing worth reading (just to laugh at) on their useless website....which cripples your computer's resources due to the invasive adverts slowing page loading to a snails pace.
I don't even click the links anymore, they don't deserve the click-cash. Especially with such a crappy website. You have remember these London based tabloids and their contributing journalists (if they are worthy of the title) don't live in the real world.
I don't even click the links anymore, they don't deserve the click-cash. Especially with such a crappy website. You have remember these London based tabloids and their contributing journalists (if they are worthy of the title) don't live in the real world.
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20 January 2016, 09:05 AM
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Yes i know - it just boils my blood how they can have such a skew view on everything.
Problem is, a lot of people who i deal with in suburbia are Daily Mail readers and often quote these articles and believe every word they read
Problem is, a lot of people who i deal with in suburbia are Daily Mail readers and often quote these articles and believe every word they read
20 January 2016, 09:09 AM
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You have a very skew view too Ditchy.
Not all bad news, it would put me off the job.
Quite like helping victims, returning property, finding lost loved ones, searching homes because they have heard a bump in the night, fixing cars for a damsel in distress etc etc
Not all bad news, it would put me off the job.
Quite like helping victims, returning property, finding lost loved ones, searching homes because they have heard a bump in the night, fixing cars for a damsel in distress etc etc
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20 January 2016, 10:50 AM
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The real story is CPS didnt believe there was enough evidence for a conviction in a court of law which goes on evidence. A family court is all about 'probability'.
He probably did hurt the child, but it can't be proven.
He probably did hurt the child, but it can't be proven.
20 January 2016, 11:21 AM
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The police do make themselves pretty hard to like though.... As a grown up I think its important to understand things from the Police point of view but there are some police officers who make that pretty difficult. The current trend locally for lowering speed limits then putting speed traps up a week later is hardly a tactic for winning the public over, especially when traffic is the one instance whereby most law abiding citizens will actually have contact with the Police.
20 January 2016, 11:31 AM
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The police do make themselves pretty hard to like though.... As a grown up I think its important to understand things from the Police point of view but there are some police officers who make that pretty difficult. The current trend locally for lowering speed limits then putting speed traps up a week later is hardly a tactic for winning the public over, especially when traffic is the one instance whereby most law abiding citizens will actually have contact with the Police.
20 January 2016, 02:49 PM
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Everybody hates the Police mate, get over it.
Think about it, why would anyone like the Police they never bring good news or a big bag of money, if they knock on your door your either in trouble or someone has died, if they pull you over, it's probably going to cost you money and points on your licence, then more money when your insurance goes up.
Fact is mate most of us don't want to see or have anything to do with the Police, why would we, you're the modern day harbingers of doom and gloom that's why you've got no friends and no one wants to be around you.
just joking about the last bit but you get where I'm coming from.
Think about it, why would anyone like the Police
they never bring good news or a big bag of money, if they knock on your door your either in trouble or someone has died, if they pull you over, it's probably going to cost you money and points on your licence, then more money when your insurance goes up.Fact is mate most of us don't want to see or have anything to do with the Police, why would we, you're the modern day harbingers of doom and gloom
that's why you've got no friends and no one wants to be around you. just joking about the last bit but you get where I'm coming from.
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20 January 2016, 04:01 PM
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The police do make themselves pretty hard to like though.... As a grown up I think its important to understand things from the Police point of view but there are some police officers who make that pretty difficult. The current trend locally for lowering speed limits then putting speed traps up a week later is hardly a tactic for winning the public over, especially when traffic is the one instance whereby most law abiding citizens will actually have contact with the Police.
For our force for 2014/15:
Speeding offences - 3094
Total Recorded Crime - 42048
Total Recorded Incidents - 300000 (approx)
So, its about 1% of the population's contact with police is for speeding. The other 99% is for 'other' issues
20 January 2016, 04:16 PM
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There it goes again, this skewed statistic/belief is just not true.
For our force for 2014/15:
Speeding offences - 3094
Total Recorded Crime - 42048
Total Recorded Incidents - 300000 (approx)
So, its about 1% of the population's contact with police is for speeding. The other 99% is for 'other' issues
For our force for 2014/15:
Speeding offences - 3094
Total Recorded Crime - 42048
Total Recorded Incidents - 300000 (approx)
So, its about 1% of the population's contact with police is for speeding. The other 99% is for 'other' issues
Sure you have posted the statistics above a few times ;-)
Hey,no hate for the police but still prefer DCI Gene Hunt tactics and not the rely on the statute nonsense.Normally that means go for the easy target
20 January 2016, 04:26 PM
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To be honest matey, we have.
More forced on us by budget cuts, but most of your previous recommendations have kind of come true.
The traffic section has been further decimated, with most of them moving back onto response shifts. The remaining traffic officers double as ARV units, so they tend to be tied up a lot with fire arms incidents. So no traffic officers on the road to stop any speeders. No funding for static cameras either.
Funds have been cut from CCTV. So not much 'big brother is watching you' any more. New buildings/car parks don't have cameras on them as there is no money. And any remaining CCTV cameras once they break down never get repaired.
Our '****' style uniforms are going. They can no longer afford white shirts so we are getting cheap black t-shirts instead. Stab vests are getting replaced with 'security' type ones with a 'velcro' police' sign on the back. We no longer have CS gas - replaced by a water based water spray which is about as useful as....water. Panda cars and vans not being replaced, so once they conk out that's it
And what do you think the effect has been on crime........
More forced on us by budget cuts, but most of your previous recommendations have kind of come true.
The traffic section has been further decimated, with most of them moving back onto response shifts. The remaining traffic officers double as ARV units, so they tend to be tied up a lot with fire arms incidents. So no traffic officers on the road to stop any speeders. No funding for static cameras either.
Funds have been cut from CCTV. So not much 'big brother is watching you' any more. New buildings/car parks don't have cameras on them as there is no money. And any remaining CCTV cameras once they break down never get repaired.
Our '****' style uniforms are going. They can no longer afford white shirts so we are getting cheap black t-shirts instead. Stab vests are getting replaced with 'security' type ones with a 'velcro' police' sign on the back. We no longer have CS gas - replaced by a water based water spray which is about as useful as....water. Panda cars and vans not being replaced, so once they conk out that's it
And what do you think the effect has been on crime........
20 January 2016, 04:28 PM
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20 January 2016, 04:37 PM
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I was having dinner with someone from the met the other day
and they said that the main reason the Actress from EastEnders took so long to be discovered, after being reporting missing
was due to budget/resourcing constraints
basically put in the "to be dealt with after xmas" pile
he also said moral is at rock bottom too
a tough job - they sometime seem to do themselves no favours - but personally I have always had pretty good experience with them
and when you DO need them, you need them
and they said that the main reason the Actress from EastEnders took so long to be discovered, after being reporting missing
was due to budget/resourcing constraints
basically put in the "to be dealt with after xmas" pile
he also said moral is at rock bottom too
a tough job - they sometime seem to do themselves no favours - but personally I have always had pretty good experience with them
and when you DO need them, you need them
20 January 2016, 04:46 PM
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I think that is stretching it a bit. You can't really put a missing from home inquiry in to "do it later" pile. The inquiry will just run from shift to shift as a live job, especially with 2 kids involved
20 January 2016, 05:01 PM
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There it goes again, this skewed statistic/belief is just not true.
For our force for 2014/15:
Speeding offences - 3094
Total Recorded Crime - 42048
Total Recorded Incidents - 300000 (approx)
So, its about 1% of the population's contact with police is for speeding. The other 99% is for 'other' issues
For our force for 2014/15:
Speeding offences - 3094
Total Recorded Crime - 42048
Total Recorded Incidents - 300000 (approx)
So, its about 1% of the population's contact with police is for speeding. The other 99% is for 'other' issues
20 January 2016, 05:25 PM
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but the resources to do a full garden search were not available immediately
and since the police had no concrete evidence a simple search was conducted
but sure ultimately hearsay and tittle tattle
I suppose the point he was really making was the lack of resources/money was having a REAL impact on frontline policing
20 January 2016, 06:08 PM
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What are those number supposed to mean ? Total number of offences or is there a statistic for how often police make contact with the generally law abiding elements or society I would hope a Policeman would have more intelligence than to post something so irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
In essence, 300000 is the number of incidents we have dealt with in a year, ranging from people calling the police for x,y,z reasons to incidents we come across.
Of this figure 42048 were crime related - the rest being non crime related (sudden deaths, missing from homes, kids playing football in the street, house fires etc etc)
Of the 300000 total incidents recorded only 3094 were speeding related. Hence a figure of about 1% ergo, 99% of contact with the police by citizens is for something other than speeding maters.
There endeth the lesson.
20 January 2016, 11:10 PM
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20 January 2016, 11:36 PM
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Hey Felix,like I said,nothing against you whatsoever.You do a good job :-)
Whatever you do though,don,t quote the Daily Mail.Lol
Whatever you do though,don,t quote the Daily Mail.Lol
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21 January 2016, 11:57 AM
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Of the 300000 total incidents recorded only 3094 were speeding related. Hence a figure of about 1% ergo, 99% of contact with the police by citizens is for something other than speeding maters.
There endeth the lesson.
There endeth the lesson.
And no cheating like saying your force don't have cameras
